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Monday 12 November 2007 @ 14:11
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 Those of you in NYC probably already saw this, but for the sake of
those of you elsewhere, I thought I'd link to this article in
the New York Times regarding the shooting at a poker club
here that I
recently wrote about.
I find a few quotes amusing:
“A week ago, there were two or three rooms operating in Manhattan,
but now there are zero,” said Steven McLoughlin, a poker aficionado
who moderates a poker discussion at twoplustwo.com and closely follows the
Manhattan club scene. ”You don't know what can happen.“
I have no interest in finding the clubs anymore, but this blatantly
can't be true. I've gotten SMS and emails from a number of clubs
announcing their “new security measures” and offering
freerolls. I am sure attendance is way down, but they are still making a
go.
And then there's this one:
“But the overwhelming majority are not compulsive gamblers,” he
[the broadcast producer who has frequented clubs for five years] said.
“They do this as a way of blowing off steam, and that is healthier than
sitting in front of the TV.”
First, sitting on your ass at a poker table is probably slightly less
healthy than sitting on the couch watching TV. After all, at home, most
of us don't have a waitress bringing us junk food and sodas; we actually
have to make the walk to the kitchen for that. Second, most people I've
met in the NYC poker scene do have some sort of gambling problem,
even if it is a minor one.
Finally:
The people interviewed for this article would not say who sponsors and
operates the Manhattan clubs, but insisted that there was no hint of
involvement by organized crime.
Obviously, people did not pay much attention. What about the partially
confirmed rumors of how the former part-owner of the O. Club had gambling
debts with the mob and was funneling money to pay them back? How about
the older folks at the E. Club who would just sit and watch? And the
stories of how the T. Club had paid for protection to keep them safe?
I agree the connections were tangential and the bigger $10k buy-in
games were probably much more connected, but there is somewhat no denying
it.
BTW, I've been playing online some, which if probably a story worth
posting and might do so soon. |
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NYC Poker is Dead, and So Is One of Our Players.
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Saturday 3 November 2007 @ 11:59
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I have been talking
about safety
issues, busts
and robberies
for quite a while.
I decided to quit
playing at NYC clubs over a year ago due primarily to safety issues.
It seems my read was right.
I've always felt that robberies were more dangerous than busts. I've
also mentioned to many that fear of a young guy making a mistake or
getting nervous with a gun would be the biggest threat.
Seems I was right about that too, after last night. There have been
a number
of
stories, of
which this seems
the most accurate and detailed,
and this
one is not bad. (Update: This story is much better than the others.) There is also a
long
2+2 thread now, that started just an hour and half after the
incident.
For those who don't want to chase links: another robbery at a club on
28th street and 5th Avenue has occurred and resulted in our first NYC
poker death, due to an apparently accidentally fired gun of a
robber.
There is no game juicy enough to risk your life, even if it's a thousand
to one shot that you'll get killed. I've played enough poker to find
that thousand to ones come in every once in a while and you just have to
avoid the situation when you are gambling with your life.
I hope this will help the effort to get legal poker at the Aqueduct race
track. For the meantime, I'm glad I left the NYC poker scene when I
did.
Update: Newer stories are saying this club was run by
the Straddle Club team. Like almost everyone who has run a club in this
city, they've always were pretty bad at their business; it's in some ways
no surprise it was their club — again. But, frankly, any place that runs a game with less than a $10k buy-in probably simply isn't safe, no matter what.
Another Update: There is a New York Times story now. |
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A Quick Reminder Why I Don't Play Clubs Anymore
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Saturday 16 June 2007 @ 19:05
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another robbery of a NYC club reminds me why I don't play the
local clubs anymore. The chance of being held up at gun point makes
it not worth it.
Of course, since there's basically only a robbery once every six months
or so, it means you're at least 1-to-182 against to get hit. Probably
less, if you avoid the peak 23:00-01:00 hours. Still, I don't gamble
with these sorts of things, only poker itself. Especially when there
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Focusing on Online Play
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Wednesday 22 November 2006 @ 12:39
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 I actually do have posts from the rest of the Texas trip mostly
written, and will get them up this week. I have a few other trip
reports coming as well; I just want to make sure they are reasonably
well written before posting.
Anyway, I am posting a program note, as it were, that I'm probably
going to be spending most of my time playing online until the full-on
crackdown from the law comes. I've actually worked out with the
cashier department of Full
Tilt Poker to allow me to deposit via Visa Check Card and cashout
via standard, paper check. However, I'm planning to do careful
bankroll management so I don't need to buy-in again, because the Visa
Check Card method will surely go away as soon as the banks start
complying with the law, which they'll likely do a bit early of their
deadline. I figure I'll probably be able to deposit cashout checks
from Full
Tilt right up until the deadline; implementation of anti-check
depositing systems will probably be last on the list, since it's only
semi-electronic.
From a time management perspective, given that I'm relying on $1k/month
coming out of poker for expenses, online play is the most rational.
The games in NYC are still full of amazingly bad players. However,
even though the profitability of the games outweigh the time charges
and tokes, it's really a question of time investment. If you can get
only 20-30 hands an hour, against annoying people (most of the NYC
player fare), and still need to commute to the club, why bother?
There's no point when instead you can get 200 hands an hour, against
players who make (fewer but) enough mistakes to be highly profitable,
and you can instead talk with your wife in-between hands. Is this
even a hard choice?
Poker is about maximizing EV, and NL HE is a predatory game. Being a
predator is a tiresome business, and meanwhile, I have a real job that
is focused on making the world a better place. That job requires
substantial time investment, and is actually worth it. It's
not worth staying up far too late watching a bunch of insufferable
people give you their money, when the same type of folks will instead
click buttons and give you just as much money, and you can still get
to bed at a decent hour, and go into your day job that you actually
like.
Finally, there's the factor that online poker may be gone soon for US
Citizens. I may find myself left with only the annoying NYC club
scene at some point, and it's clear if it survived the last round of
major busts, it will continue to be there indefinitely once online
poker is really gone. I can always reevaluate based on new
information as the poker world continues to change.
Oh, and on the home game front, I've made a deal with my wife, since
it's better for her, to host them once a month but for much longer
(1PM-midnight). The setup and cleanup costs are pretty high, so she's
convinced me it's a better model to run longer games less frequently.
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E. Club Robbed
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Thursday 28 September 2006 @ 17:46
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 I had waited until I had double-confirmed this, since my last news of a
NYC club turned out to be inaccurate, but I now have confirmation from
three sources that the E. Club was robbed this week. There had been a
previous rumor of robbery there as well, although that was never
officially confirmed.
The E. Club is one of two remaining well-known clubs that continue to
operate. All other games have gone so deep underground such that if you
aren't a very high stakes or an “every night” player, these
are the only two games on the more beaten paths of New York that you can
find easily aside from home games. Games seem to abound further out in
the boroughs, but these are the two you can stop in for a few hours on
your way home from work in Manhattan.
Robberies, of course, are more problematic than a police raid. Since
the legal status of the club's operation is dubious at best, they can't
easily get the protection of the police, unless they buy it. If they
don't do such, getting robbed can happen easily.
I am starting to believe the risk of playing public games in New York
might be too great. I am sure the high stakes games have better security,
but they are games well above the standard recreational poker bankroll.
If you are in the “in crowd” of NYC poker, there are other
opportunities, but getting into that crowd fully requires more longevity
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Poker Players Call USA Senate Today
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Tuesday 12 September 2006 @ 14:48
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 There is a Poker
Players' Alliance call-in to the USA Senate today until 17:30
Eastern. They set up an automated 800 line that auto-forwards
you to one of your senators based on your zip code. The line is
flooded right now, so calling your senator directly might be better at
the moment.
I'm more the faxing type; that's the way I've always chosen to write to
my legislative representatives. Below is what I wrote to my New York
Senators. Feel free to cut and paste at will if you want to fax
them. You
can probably dig up fax numbers on the senate.gov site.
Dear Ms. Clinton [ and Mr. Schumer],
I am a new resident of New York state; I moved here only one year ago, so
it is my first time contacting you.
I am writing to urge you to oppose legislation that would make online
poker and other poker-related activities illegal. I know that there is at
least one bill of this nature that might be before the Senate this term.
The game of poker is an American tradition dating back to the civil war
era, and perhaps earlier. Mark Twain considered it so
important to America's culture that he proclaimed that a man who didn't
know the “meaning of a ‘flush’” was “enough
to make one ashamed of one's species”. Many famous presidents,
such as Truman and Nixon, were known for their love of the game. Truman
even played it on the way home from Potsdam with the journalists and
staffers with him to help ease his mind as he made the key American
decisions of the end of World War II. To make poker illegal would deny
our own game-playing heritage.
Poker is unlike other so-called “gambling” activities that
Congress seeks to outlaw. Poker is indeed played with cards for money,
but it is a game of skill, not chance. It is much more like chess than it
is like lotteries. Meanwhile, I find it incredibly hypocritical that
legislation under consideration carves out special permission for state
lotteries, which can be defined no other way than “pure
gambling”. No credible reason is given for allowing these wagering
activities, while a traditional and quintessentially American game of
skill that includes wagering is declared illegal online.
I hope that you will vehemently oppose this legislation on the behalf
of me and all New York poker players. As a New York City resident, I have
witnessed first-hand a recent backlash and crackdown against those who
enjoy a friendly game of poker here in this great city. Poker players and
those who make venues available for us to play are currently treated as if
we were criminals, while those who run seedy off-track betting
establishments are given an endorsement in the law.
I hope you see this hypocrisy and pandering for what it is. Please, don't
let it extend any further for New Yorkers than it already has. Oppose all
legislation that would make poker illegal. Instead, support plans that
would regulate and tax poker for the benefit of the general good, much
like those lotteries that are already endorsed by our government.
Prohibition has never worked to prevent activities that certain parties
dislike; let's instead find ways to build a tax revenue base from this
activity that some misguided politicians find “immoral”.
Sincerely,
Bradley Sif
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The Bigger They Come, The Quicker They Fall
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Sunday 3 September 2006 @ 15:27
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 Perhaps this is a premature report, but there is some circumstantial
evidence that one of the two remaining lower limit poker clubs on the
island of Manhattan was busted on Friday. I had previously reported
the bust of this particular club, as it was shut down temporarily but
reopened a few weeks later. Some information indicates that it's
really gone this time, but I'll keep reporting as I get confirmation
and/or more information.
I have apparently included my luck of visiting clubs just before or
after busts. I showed up the afternoon after the New York Player's
Club bust to find it gone; I was at All-In the very night of the bust,
having left early. This time, I finally decided to visit the highest
raked game in the city, find the club bustling with 7 (!) tables, and
hear about a probable bust the end of that very week.
I believe the E. Club — a tiny two table club somewhere on
Manhattan — keeps rolling on. I know of a few clubs in the
boroughs which I haven't visit but may. However, if this bust has
happened, it's another major blow to the possibility that New York
City poker for the casual player will continue to exist. Heck, maybe
AC casinos are bribing the busts in preparation for the high speed
train next year?
Of course, there are still super small stakes home games, and there are
giant private games (I won't be playing $75/$150 Stud or $10/$20 NL
any time soon, for example). But, for the lower limit enthusiast
who'd like to play bigger than $.5/$1 NL but below $10/$20 NL, the
games are disappearing.
There
was an interesting article recently in Bluff Magazine
about the NYC poker scene. It's further evidence that if you
have really big money to put in play around the city, you can find a
game without a problem. But, small-time poker is becoming less and
less worth the risk for most club owners. Even the last group
associated with the famous Mayfair club, who were still operating in
the city as recently as a year ago have given up and aren't running
clubs. When I was in Vegas, I ran into the floorperson who, after
living through the New York Player's Club bust, ran The Loft then
the Studio then the New Studio and finally gave up. Instead, he's a
$30/$60 limit HE pro in the games at the Wynn every day now. It's
just not worth his while to run his club.
I have the urge to rant and rant about how the city could build a nice
tax base making poker legal, that it's no worse than the Off Track
Betting store-fronts on every corner, and that we'd find what
California has — legal poker doesn't lead to degeneration of
society.
I don't know if it's really worth it. Everyone reading the rant likely
agrees with me, and we know the legislature is absolutely fine with
being two-faced about what gambling they will permit. You see, New York
City isn't a dump truck; it's a series of tubes. We can let horses
ride through those tubes, but poker chips clog it. Only lottery balls
can clear such a clog. (I was fortunate enough to have been in the
studio audience of The Daily Show the very day that
particular sketch aired. It vaguely makes me feel better. Laughter
the best medicine and all that.)
Anyway, I'll go back to being a degenerate New Yorker engaged in
activities shunned by my government. People playing poker must be the
worst social problem we face in the USA, no? I'll log onto an online
poker site and wait for the jack-booted thugs to bang down my
apartment door to stop me from engaging in such socially harmful
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Is it a Soft Play When It's Subconscious?
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Wednesday 30 August 2006 @ 13:12
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 Last night, I got all my chips in out-of-position in a multiway pot at
a NYC club;
Dawn
was in the pot. I held the 5 3 on a 5 5 J board with two clubs. I moved
in because we had one all-in-preflop player for the main pot, and I
had a bet and a large raise (from Dawn) in the sidepot ahead of me.
I decided that I would represent a weak flush draw by check-raising
all-in. I had Dawn, based on previous action, on either AJ or QQ
(she claimed later it was QQ). I figured she'd call most of the
time with QQ and fold AJ. I expected the very tight player in
between to fold his flush draw or jack. There was a reasonably good
chance I'd win the side pot and end up heads up against the
all-in-preflop player
It came out as I expected, the tight player folded, and Dawn thought
for a while. Now, I am totally against soft-playing, so I wouldn't
have told Dawn to fold or otherwise given her any direct information.
However, I really wanted Dawn to fold because I knew what she probably
had and knew she'd have trouble folding QQ.
I should interrupt my story to note that I'm typically the type to give
off false tells. I've noticed a few tells common with players who
have big hands — there's the classic hand-shaking, but also they
tend to breathe heavier when they've made a big bet with a strong
holding than they do with a bluff.
I try to use a reverse tell in these instances. When I don't want a
call, I get myself all excited and breathing heavier, and if I can get
it going (usually I can't), I get my hands shaking a bit. I do the
reverse when I have a hand.
However, in this situation, I suddenly found myself shaking a bit and
breathing heavy. I am usually in total control of this tell and
frequently reverse it or otherwise mix it up. And here I am, up
against Dawn, knowing that I don't want to see her lose, and I'm
inadvertently giving off the correct signals of a big hand.
Dawn folded after much deliberation, and I haven't yet had a chance to
ask her if the tell was a factor. I sure hope it wasn't, because I
feel somewhat that effectively I made a subconscious soft-play. I
agree that a soft-play of any kind is 100% cheating. I think two articles
recently on the subject get that point across well.
So, did I subconsciously soft-play? Should I feel bad about it? I know
that I am consciously in control of that tell because I used it three
other times that night to give the wrong signal to other opponents.
But, heads-up with Dawn with a player all-in and one folded, I let it
come out as a straight-up signal. By the time I was breathing heavy
and shaking a bit and realized it, I couldn't get control of it to
stop it, so I let it go. Did I cheat? Should I try to avoid playing
at the table with Dawn in the future anywhere but home games?
I think I'm helped by the fact that Dawn likely didn't pick up on the
tell one way or the other, but she'll probably comment here to say.
Still, that doesn't excuse it if I was, even subconsciously, trying to
give her a signal to fold.
Oh, finally, for those who want to know how it turned out, Dawn folded,
I claimed the side pot, and had to show my hand to show it down with
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Hey, I Stacked That Person on TV Before!
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Tuesday 22 August 2006 @ 22:06
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 So, I would have expected to see the usual suspects of NYC small-time
players on the Boston vs. New York show, which continues
to be so bad I can't stand watching it. I wouldn't really expect it on
any other show.
However, right there on the first main event episode, the feature table
includes someone I know. Heck, it's even someone that I know well
enough to have a pretty strong read on! I was really surprised to see
her — still staring at the board when she misses and calling
raises with AJo. It's Steph, someone I shared the tables with for
many hours at the old O and U Clubs. Until tonight, I knew her only by her first name, as first names only is pretty typical at our
semi-legal clubs around the city. Turns out she's Stephanie
“windough” Klempner and seems to be PokerStars most
ESPN-covered player of the 2006 main event, as she landed on the first
day's television table with Phil Hellmuth.
Now, I can't speak to Steph's tournament game, but I suppose now that
she's famous, I can take some liberty to make a public comment about
what I know of her cash game. Truth is that (at least about six
months ago) she was still one of the more beatable regulars that I
encountered around the NYC clubs.
However, the big plus side is that she was always a great person to
have at the table. Unlike most of the totality of NYC players, she's
a kind, friendly person who is polite to everyone. That's a big
exception to most of what you see around here. The saying about all
NYCers being rude isn't really true in general, but it is almost
completely true at the poker table. Steph was always an
exception.
So, while I don't think Steph's skill is representative of what can be
found in the small games of NYC poker, I'm sure that she, probably by
a long shot, made a better impression of proper etiquette at a poker
table than most NYC players would have. I'm glad that Steph won her
satellite, and sorry she didn't cash. I don't think anyone could pick
a kinder player as the token NYC small-time player for the main
event.
(Because of his appearance on the first Boston vs. New
York, Alfonse has previously been held up as “the
quintessential NYC small-time poker player” in the media, and
that's just embarrassing to us all. Too bad Steph didn't get enough
air time to kill that image.) |
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Maybe NYC Poker Is Not So Dead
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Thursday 22 June 2006 @ 17:06
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 I've spent some time reading the blogs of my fellow NYC players lately.
Having moved from Boston to NYC at the height of the poker boom, I usually
felt like an outsider from the NYC poker scene. Like everyone outside of
NYC, I had read Riding the
F-Train, which — much to the surprise of its author
— was (during 2004 and 2005) known nationwide as the NYC
poker blog. It's primarily because of his reviews, which are all of clubs
long since closed, that kept people reading. Having not been out of NYC
for poker in a long time, I am not sure what blog is considered the
quintessential NYC poker blog now.
I have lamented some that I believe the NYC poker scene is dying. It
may be true, in the sense that concerns me most. Namely, as it gets
harder and harder to find clubs in NYC, only stronger players will
bother to find them. Thus, the games will not be as good nor
worthwhile. But, perhaps what I see as death is merely a hiatus and
things will eek back to normal once the police vice squad finds
something better to do.
Positive thoughts about the future of NYC poker increased since I
started reading more of the NYC poker blogs around. They always
seemed to be hosted on BlogSpot rather than liveJournal, so I wasn't
reading them regularly. I have now finally gone to the trouble to
collect their RSS feeds into a single location (using a LiveJournal
friends filter, for those of you who are actually LJ geeks). If you
are interested, you now have a convenient
way to read the NYC poker blogs that I also read. If you know of
any that I should be reading but haven't added, let me know.
I should also note that I've got a review of one of the few clubs still
around in the city coming soon. Finally, I have thought about maybe
starting a serious poker discussion group (like the various Las Vegas
Poker Discussion Groups). I haven't really figured out how to filter
attendance, though. You want a group like that to have a high level
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If I wanted to Watch Amateurs, I'd Go to a Game...
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Saturday 17 June 2006 @ 15:12
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 I am sitting here slowly recovering from the “bad beat”
W.D. put on me — not a poker one, but a plane-caught cold he
brought back from Asia and shared with the office. The coughing is
annoying, so to distract myself, I'm playing micro-limit online poker
(so I don't abuse my bankroll while sick) and watching television.
Of course, nearly every hour of the day there's another poker show on
televison. Most of them are pointless. Producers have not completely
figured out yet: people don't want to watch amatuers play, as if poker
were some sort of game show!
Perhaps the worst of these shows is YES Network and Party Poker's
Boston vs. New York Poker Challenge. I suppose the worst
part about this game to me is that I have played with at least half of
the players. As someone who spent a lot of time playing poker in both
Boston and NYC during the poker boom, I've run into just about
everyone who has spent more than a few weeks at poker games in either
city.
And, for about fifteen seconds, my reaction to the show was:
“Wow, people I know on TV”. Then, I realized that I
didn't really like hanging out with nearly any of them when I played
regularly in the home games and clubs of Boston and NYC! Of the half
I know, there is only one person on the whole show who has extremely
strong poker skills (he's a Boston player previously mentioned in this
journal years back, for those who want to hunt). And, while he's not
a bad guy, he's not the friendliest of folks — he plays poker to
take people's money, not to make friends. The rest, well, their
company is not the most high quality out there.
Truth is, sitting here, coughing and watching this awful show like it's
a train wreck I can't turn my head from, I am reminded that, in poker,
I spend a lot of time with unlikeable people. There's a meme going
around the NYC poker blogs that states if you want to be a
winning poker player, you have to hang around with losers . It's a
fact that is difficult to argue; good players choose good games with
weak competition. Weak players are, by definition, losers.
On the other hand, it is not that simple. I was a fish in my River Street
NL days. While I might have been a loser (per se) in the game, I
was working hard to get better at the game and learn more. I was able
to keep even by the final days, because I simply passed chips from the
truely terrible players to the very good ones.
I wonder if I felt so strongly and positively about that game and the
people in it because I was a little bit the fish. When I play now,
and find tables with only two or three strong players out of ten, and
the rest mostly jerks who I wouldn't think to spend time with
otherwise, I wonder why I am playing. If it's for the money merely, I
have to consider if I would stay in a job with a mix of co-workers
identical to the nightly line up at your average NYC, Foxwoods, or AC
poker game. And online? Heck, I can barely stand to have the chat
boxes on at all. The level of homophobic remarks alone are enough to
make any reasonable person ill.
Ironically, I had been thinking lately that I want to see if the New
York clubs are still as bad in this respect as they were the last few
times I went. Of course, I won't discover another River Street hiding
under a subway station in downtown Manhattan. But, perhaps there is a
community of players that has a good mix, where the losers aren't
insufferable. Or, maybe the games will be so lucrative again that I
won't care so much.
Whatever the NYC poker scene is now or becomes, I'm sure that I don't
want to watch it on TV. If I am in a game myself, I have to
watch the other players as I try to think as they do and learn as much
as I can about their psychology. But, if they aren't the best players
in the world, it's going to be downright boring to do that as a mere
spectator. If it wasn't for the coughing fits drowning out weak
players explaining how they are “in it to win it”, I am
sure I'd have changed the channel by now. Oh, wait, I have a
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Poker Money to the City Coffers
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Monday 8 May 2006 @ 21:57
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 There have been a series of busts over the past few weeks in the New
York City clubs. Since early March, I have been playing mostly online
(if at all). I was only occasionally visiting the clubs — about
once every two and half weeks. Each time I look up to see where to go,
the whole landscape has been changed by busts.
A club that I once visited called Satellite was busted a long time ago.
Another club opened in its location, called Playground. I went once,
but it was still busted within weeks of its grand opening. I went to
Playroom once, and but it got busted before I could go again. All In
(which I called the L Club) has been gone for months. Another club I
hadn't mentioned yet, the Straddle Club (made up of some old Ace Point
people), was busted a few weeks ago.
I have to admit that the police attack strategy is starting to work on
me, for two reasons. First, I am simply fed up with the comedy of
errors the casual player must go through to find what clubs are open.
I am never a regular; I haven't been one since the old R club and 72nd
Street (aka the NY Players' Club). If you aren't tuned in constantly
to the NYC poker scene, you have to do some leg work to find out what
has happened. I'm in touch with some regulars, which helps, but it's
still impossible to go to a club on the spur of the moment unless you
are constantly “tuned in”.
Second, the games are nowhere near as good as they once were. Sure,
there are some fish about, but the line-ups have gotten substantially
tougher. The casual players simply aren't going out to the clubs.
Think about this, and it's obvious why: a heavy poker enthusiast like
myself, who, all things being equal, wants to play live once every
week or two, cannot find out who's in business without 24-hour lead
time to email out to regulars to see what's going on. Can you imagine
that any casual $1/$2 NL player wants to do that work? Do they even
have any regulars' email addresses?
The public policy here is ludicrous, given that Off-Track-Betting is
legal throughout the city — it's not like we are a gambling-free
zone. But, that argument doesn't help much to solve anything.
Meanwhile, rumors abound that owners of some clubs are calling in
competing clubs, but this seems quite unlikely. A rising tide of
“reduced police heat” would raise all boats here, and I am
sure everyone is savvy enough to realize that. More likely, the best
of the best club workers are heading the relative safety of dealing
and running high-stakes private games (see below).
I know of four clubs still operating around the city, but I have not
been racing to get to them. The regular fish that I watched move from
72nd Street to the Loft and Satellite have either quit, or have
returned to the baby-limit home games from whence they came, as far as
I can tell. For my part, I am finding amazing games online. I miss
the social side of it, but I must admit that even that has
decayed.
Indeed, I realized something: most of the people in the clubs now are
not the people I want to hang around. This is something that roryk might
have been correct about. I've noticed that the people that I meet
at these clubs now — those people that keep coming even after
multiple busts and reopens — are not really people whom I want
in my poker games. Now, I wouldn't say they are “seedy”
people, by any means. It just seems that most of the people who have
“stuck with it” are either sharks looking for a good game
(who are generally nice people, but not the people I want to be
playing against all the time), or just plain jerks who clearly have no
ability to be socially connected in any other way.
That's a sweeping generalization and an exaggeration, but it has some
truth. I have noticed that once clubs have been around a while, they
attract some weak competition who are also nice people. But, the
hard-cores really are jerks or sharks. Compare this to the casino,
where you get to meet retirees who are just relaxing and enjoying
their time off, and vacationing people from all over who play a home
game from time to time and have simply picked poker instead of
blackjack to burn their vacation dollars. I loved getting to know and
“entertaining” people at Foxwoods when I played there
regularly, but that's not the feel of a “just opened and could
be busted next week” NYC club.
There are, of course, many private games throughout the city, but
nothing at low or even medium stakes. I know of a $50/$75/$150 Stud
game and a $200/$400 HE game, for example. Those are, of course, way
above my bankroll. There are probably serious fish (and serious pros)
in those games, but I can't imagine I'll ever play those kinds of
stakes, frankly.
I have been invited to, and attended twice, a private
“study” game. It was started by one of the local limit
sharks who practices securities law in his “real life”.
The goal of the game is for everyone to learn mixed games. If it were
a pure limit HE game, I'd be throwing my money away with the tough
lineup there. But, we play quite a large mix of games (more on this
in a later post), and I'm probably a favorite to the game in most of
them, given my diverse poker experience.
I look forward to posting about that game, which I'll call
“C.H.'s Game”. However, they all have the URL of this
journal, so I have to be prepared, as was with the late River Street
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Saturday 11 March 2006 @ 09:55
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Club remains open, the L Club was in fact raided on Thursday
night! I was actually there that night; W.D. and I couldn't be gladder
that we left early to head over to the H Club!
I am sure this was a bust, because there was a a post
on Craig's List, a comment
in my journal, and W.D. himself stopped by after work yesterday
to play a half only to find them gone and not answering the
phone.
This club had a number of questionable policies and practices. I heard
a rumor that the house people, who often played in the game when they
should have been paying attention to the customer needs, were
cheating. I doubt this was true, but what I do believe is that they
structured table assignment to get a pyramid scheme going whereby
extremely weak players dumped stacks to mediocre players who then
would be placed at tables with big stacks than they could lose chips
to the house players. They implemented this scheme through a creative
and strange “must move” policy. (It was unlike any
must-move setup I've ever seen at any casino I've visited, in part
because the floor manipulated and changed the order of people's moves.
They would also arbitrarily suspend the must-move policy for a few
halves depending on who was where.)
I can't say I'm sad to see the club go. They had bad customer service,
were rude to the customers, and treated their dealers badly. They
flaunted their existence on public fora, so it's not surprising that
they eventually got busted. I just hope this isn't a beginning of
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U Club, I Hardly Know Thee, Yet My Faith Is Restored.
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Friday 10 March 2006 @ 08:10
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morning: The U Club open just a few weeks, was supposedly busted on Wednesday
night.
This is third incarnation of the same club. It is professional and
well-run. Meanwhile, clubs run by people who have no business sense
at all, like the E and L clubs, run interrupted for a year or more.
We all know there is no justice in poker itself, but there's also
little justice in the world of quasi-illegal poker clubs in NYC.
I am so glad to learn, now later in the day, that this was a big false
alarm — there's a little justice at least. Apparently, they
were closed for some non-disclosed reason. They could be on a bigger
radar screen, which may mean the days are numbered, but they are up
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What Should Work Dan Have Done?
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Thursday 9 March 2006 @ 18:22
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in an earlier post, Work Dan and I were playing at the U Club
when a fellow dumped a nearly $500 stack to me. He rebought for
around $200, and played for a while when the following hand came up
between him and Work Dan.
Work Dan (W.D.) called behind this guy, let's call him Stack Dumper
(S.D.) (in honor of his earlier dump to me), in late position when
S.D. had raised to $10. They saw the flop five handed with $50 and
with Dan in position (some earlier limpers called the raise when it
came back around to them). S.D. had about $250 behind and W.D. had
about $350.
The flop was K Q 9 . S.D. bet $5. He'd never bet so little into a big pot
like this. Dan made it $30 to go, the rest of the field folded, and
S.D. min-reraised making it $60 to go. W.D. thought for a while and
called. There was $170 in the pot and the saw the turn 2 , which left the board without a flush draw.
S.D. thought for a moment and bet $55. Dan thought for nearly a minute
and called. At this moment, I was beginning to feel that S.D. had
JT. His play was extremely strange and didn't match up with his past
behavior. I had no visual read on him that told me anything, but the
betting sequence, especially given that it was so different from his
past actions, seemed to shout JT.
On the river, which fell A , S.D. quickly grabbed the $5 chip covering his cards, put it
on his remaining stack and pushed for $127 total into a $280 pot.
W.D. thought for a long time. He looked at S.D. and said you have
Broadway, don't you? You flopped the nuts, didn't you? .
S.D. tried his best to look away, and finally met W.D.'s eyes and
grinned and pushed his eyebrows up a few times. This, too, was out of
character; he was a very serious player who didn't make faces like
this and goof off like that. The only visual tell I noticed was that
S.D. seemed pretty calm — which I usually read as a bluffer's
tell — but I had no visual read when he bet the nuts to compare
it to. I continued to think JT and was rooting for W.D. to fold what
I thought was KQ.
W.D. thought and thought and finally called, very reluctantly. I just
kept saying in my head that S.D. had the nuts. At the moment of the
call, I figured W.D. must have had a set; I figured he'd fold KQ.
S.D. showed the Q 7 for a middle pair bluff, and W.D. won with 9 9 for bottom set (on the flop).
W.D. and I debated for a long time about how he should have played it.
I felt that he needed to decided on the flop or the turn if the guy
had JT. If he felt there was a good chance a set was good, he had to
move in on the flop or the turn. S.D. would overplay one pair for
sure, but he might give up if a third straight card fell, or if the
board paired, and he only held a good K. Also, if S.D. has AK,
W.D. needed to charge S.D. to draw to a T.
But, after much debate, I realized I wasn't sure how to play it. I
wondered some if W.D. could make it $120 to go on the flop and fold to
a fourth raise, but that didn't make sense either; the hand seems too
strong to fold even on a problematic board. Still, I don't think he's
in a good spot when the turn blanks at him and he has to face a bet.
Sure, he has position, but he's still trying to decide if the guy has
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The Biggest Bet I've Ever Called: $452
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Tuesday 7 March 2006 @ 18:30
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somewhere between $300 and $400. Until last week, that was the
biggest single bet I'd ever called (or made, for that matter) in a
poker cash game. Thursday night, I made that new amount $452, which
yielded the largest pot I've ever played as well: $1,012.
Work Dan (since there are two Dans commonly mentioned in my journal,
I'll start being more careful to distinguish) and I went to the U Club
for an evening of poker last Thursday. The $1/$2 NL ($300 max) game
was more happening than usual. There were a number of calling
stations, and a number of would-be “strong” players who
would make big all-in raises when they should have just called (e.g.,
when holding a straight made on the turn on a board that made a
three-flush on the river), or who would constantly overplay one
pair.
I had built a stack from my $300 buy-in to $475 when the following hand
came up. I limped from middle position after one limper with 5 7 . Most pots were seeing flops with no raises for
the preceding fifteen minutes or so; the table was quite passive. Two
more limped behind me and the small blind completed. The big blind
(BB), a regular who has good starting hand selection but couldn't fold
an overpair at all once he saw a flop, raised, making it $25 to
go.
The limper between us quickly folded, and I looked to the left. I got
the feeling that one of the two limpers behind me was ready to call (a
calling station who would pay almost any amount for a draw). I
figured the small blind and the other limper were likely to fold. I
was offered 25-to-60 (roughly 1-to-2.5) direct odds to call. These
weren't great, but I had a really clear idea of what the BB held. He
had AK earlier, and had raised a smaller amount from the blind with
roughly the same number of limpers. However, with QQ, he'd raised
about this amount. I really eliminated the no-pair hands right there
— I felt pretty strongly he wouldn't commit that much (he was a
bit of an “absolute amount” better) with even an AKs. I
decided TT was maybe a possibility, but JJ-AA were the most
likely.
The BB was also very deep; he had me covered for sure (I eye-balled it
at around $500, turns out it was $580). I decided to call, because if
I flopped two pair or better, he would have trouble folding and put a
lot into the pot drawing thin. Two folks actually called behind me
(the calling station I expected and the button), and we saw the flop
four-handed with $108 in the pot.
I watched the BB watch the flop. He didn't love it, but I felt before
I even looked myself that he held an overpair to it. He stared for a
moment, then looked at his chips and aggressively said “All
in”. I began thinking why did he make such a huge
overbet? as I looked down to see 5 7 5 . Wow! Ok, so I have the second
nuts, and someone likely drawing to two outs just bet $450 at me!
I looked behind me to see if there was any way I could showboat to get
the short (relative) stacks to call, probably drawing at a flush.
They looked as ready to fold as anyone could look, so I said
Call and watched their cards hit the muck. He tabled the A A , and stared at me, looking worried. When the
fourth five hit the board, I turned my hand up saying: You have outs
to the bad beat jackpot, I think . (As it turned out he didn't;
the bad beat jackpot at the club had been hit the previous night, and
they'd increased the requirement from “any aces-full beat”
to “aces-full-of-kings beat”, but I didn't know that until
after the hand was done.)
I counted out my chips and said, $452, I think, dealer, please
recount me, though . Meanwhile, this guy was going ballistic. I
didn't listen to most of it; it went on for a full minute. The last
utterance was: what do I need to raise preflop to get you off that
donkey shit? . I didn't know what to do, I wanted to remain silent but
felt bad and wanted to say something. I gave the only answer that came to
mind: If you went all-in preflop, I wouldn't have called . I should
have kept my mouth shut, because that probably made it worse, but I didn't
know what to do with the guy flipping out. (He fortunately wasn't the
beat-you-up-outside-later type, but I made sure waited a full half after
he left before leaving.)
He kept muttering but I just ignored it as the dealer squared and
shipped. There was a lot of chat after the fellow left (an hour later
after he dumped his rebuy to Work Dan — more on that later)
about why he'd made this overbet. My best theory remains that he was
focused on the other stacks, which were only about $200 at most. I
think he thought that he was overbetting by about 2-to-1 instead of
nearly 4.5-to-1. It's a great example of making sure you know the
stack sizes. I didn't feel bad because I'm always careful to keep my
stack visible with all greens up front.
In the end, considering his reaction, I think he was more angry with
himself for the overbet than he was at me for playing 57s. And, hey,
maybe I am a donkey. But, knowing he'd often overplay an overpair, I
think I had reasonable implied odds to call. What do you all
think?
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I got the gin and the juice!
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Saturday 4 March 2006 @ 11:10
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A quote often overheard at the old R Club last summer:
Jay, I got the gin. You gotta flop me the juice.
At the old R Club, there was a dealer named Jay — a very young
African-American fellow — who also played when he wasn't in the
box1. Jay
is a strong player when he doesn't go off his game and goof around.
He often kept the table entertained, both when playing and dealing, by
making off-the-wall comments.
Somehow, he got it in his head that a pocket pair of nines would be
called the “gin”. I don't know enough myself about
alcohol to know if the number 9 somehow relates to a particular brand
of gin. Also, there may be a subtle reference to the game of gin
rummy, that I may also be missing.
Anyway, from there, Jay extended it into a name for a set of nines, and
related it to a common line from hip-hop songs: I got the gin and
the juice . It reached the point where it wasn't possible for
someone to raise on a flop containing a 9 without someone at the club
saying: He's got the gin — he's got the gin and the
juice! . (Of course, that's bad poker etiquette but the old R club was
somewhat informal.)
Indeed, the quote I opened with above eventually became a common saying
when someone started the hand with any pair 44-99. The other players
would know you had a pair, but didn't know what card made a set for
you.
Also, a few weeks after this became a common shout, I flopped a set of
8s, going on to win a huge pot, while Jay was dealing. I said to Jay,
Hey, what drink did you deal me? . He responded without a
pause:
You got the vodka — you got the vodka and the tonic!
It's these goofy cultural crossovers that remind me why I love poker
and the poker world. (I must admit that my knowledge of post-1990 rap
is sub-par enough that I had to google the phrase last August before I
was sure of my suspicions that it was some sort of hip-hop reference.)
Over the years, I've expanded my mind and met people I would never
have met otherwise, all thanks to poker.
Footnote 1: For my
less poker-geeky readers, “in the box” is a phrase
used to indicated that a dealer is currently doing his job. It
refers to the fact that the dealers seat is usually centered by a
rack of house chips (for making change, collecting the rake or
time, etc.) and that the seat is always at the same place in the
center of the oval poker tables.
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A Good Semibluff Against Different Styles of Players
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Thursday 2 March 2006 @ 19:16
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A while back I
posted about abusive use of the semibluff. As I mentioned, using
it too often simply makes your opponents realize that when you raise
on a draw-centric board, you usually have the draw and not a strong
made hand.
The semibluff is however a powerful poker weapon when used with
restraint. One place where it can be very useful is live game
situations where players have many tells and varied stack sizes and
you have a tight table image.
What follows is an example from a hand I played last summer at the old
R Club here in NYC. It was interesting situation, since, as was often
the case at the R Club, there were people who had very different stack
sizes. The players in question for this particular hand were Mike and
Pappy.
By this point in the summer, I had logged about 40 hours of play with
Mike and had a very good read on his game. He was absolutely
incapable of folding any flush draw, and any top pair with an overcard
kicker. He usually put in good sized raises with top pair on the flop
(i.e., he knew it needed to be protected), but often raised a bit too
much, and couldn't fold to a reraise. (By way of example, I once got
an entire $400 stack from him on the flop, in a limped pot with the
flop T43, where he held QT and I had 44. He just kept reraising!)
With draws, Mike played a classic loose-passive style willing to call
huge bets to see the next card and try to get there. The one type of
draw, however, that he really loved and played aggressively was
“a pair and a flush draw”, with which he'd often back with
his whole stack on the flop.
I knew Pappy less; I'd only logged about 5 hours of play with him.
However, I'd listened carefully to chit-chat about him, and that chat
was extensive. Pappy was primarily a tight-aggressive player, although
he occasionally was known to put a lot of pressure (i.e.,
hyperaggressive) preflop and on the flop. He wouldn't commit his
whole stack with one pair, and he was even capable of folding two pair
when deep enough. He assumed other people played as he did, and he
always played his sets cagey. If you made a cagey play, he'd put you
on a set and throw away two pair. The joke about him was that he
often raised with two random cards, flopped two pair, and then would
lay it down to a raise on the turn.
Now, to make a successful semibluff, I needed all this information as
the hand progressed. The hand started with Pappy raising from early
position to $10, a standard preflop raise in this $1/$2 NL HE game.
Usually, a $10 raise here yielded four callers. I was the first to
call from middle position with A 8 , and Mike called behind me on the button. The
blinds folded and we saw the flop three-handed with $33 in the pot.
Mike had about $180 behind; I and Pappy each had around $300.
The flop came T 3 7 . Pappy bet out strongly for $25. I knew he wouldn't bet
here without a pair, but he didn't seem to have an overpair. I
figured he probably had AT, but, as he sometimes raised with random
cards, he might have T7. I felt my best bet, with Mike still to act
behind me, was to call. I didn't have direct odds to draw, but I
felt that I should stay and had some minimal implied odds. (Pappy
would still bet once more if the flush card came, for example, and
Mike would pay off with a variety of hands should he see the turn.)
I felt that I might be able to make a move on the turn if I ended up
heads-up with Pappy. However, semibluffing on the flop was a bad
idea, because Pappy might reraise with two pair here and I'd have to
put in the third raise as a semibluff to get him off it. (Usually,
Pappy made his “big laydowns” on the turn.)
Mike called instantly behind me, and I was approaching certainty that
he had a mere flush draw, obviously weaker than mine. He didn't
usually play straight draws on two-tone boards, and since he didn't
raise, I didn't think he had a pair at all. His call swelled the pot
to $108.
The turn came 2 . I felt this was a good card for
me. It didn't change much about the hand, and when Pappy bet out
$50, I felt that he was getting concerned with two callers. Pappy
assumed that others played like he did, and with two callers, he
probably was worried that only one had the flush draw while the
other might be beating him. I saw the $50 as a defensive bet. I
knew Pappy could lay down two pair sometimes, and would certainly
lay down just one pair, even if I had under-read him and he'd
started with KK or something like that.
I decided to “put myself” on a set of threes for Pappy's
sake. I figured that he wouldn't be suspicious of the “just
call” on the flop, because that's how he'd play a set of threes.
Pappy would think, that since Mike acted after me, that on the flop I
thought that Mike would fold. And, since I knew Pappy didn't have a
draw, calling with my “set” would be — in Pappy's
view — a safe play. The pot was $158, and I had just enough for
about a pot-sized raise. Since I knew that Mike had a flush draw and
no pair on the flop, I figured it was unlikely Mike had me beat at the
moment. If I raised here, Mike would certainly commit the rest of his
$145 stack on a flush draw; he always called with flush draws if he
had less than $200 in front of him.
So, I saw this great opportunity. Pappy would get terrified, even with
two pair, that someone who had a stack as big as his had bet all-in,
and that someone else called. He wouldn't commit his whole stack on
an all-in overcall with two pair or less. I moved all-in with my best
“set face”. Mike instantly called. Pappy sighed loudly,
shook his head, and tossed his hand to the muck.
His eyes got huge when I turned over my hand. I looked at Mike and
said: I'm drawing better than you, I think . He tabled J 6 . He had more outs than he might expect —
thanks to Pappy's fold the three jacks and three sixes were good.
Sadly, the river came 6 . I was sad to see the money shipped
the wrong way, but I was very happy with the play! I had gotten the
best hand to fold, and gotten a call by a hand with only six outs with
one card to come!
Someone whose attention had waned momentarily right after I'd gone all
in looked down as the chips shipped to Mike and said: a pair of
sixes won that huge hand!?! and Pappy looked ready to fall out of
his chair. I had protected the pot for Mike, of course, but it was
well worth it to semibluff, get called by the player I was beating,
and have the best of it with one card to come!
Plus, if I had to pick between Pappy and Mike getting the chips, I'd
pick Mike since he was such a weaker player. If I'm going to protect
a pot for someone, I want it to be for the weakest player at the
table, and Mike was surely in the running for that at the old R
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 The O Club and The I Club have been merged into a single new club in a
new location, which I'll be calling the U Club. This is my new favorite
spot to play for a number of reasons that will go in my review (yes, I'm
really going to write those reviews
RSN).
I visited on Tuesday night to play for a few hours after work. I arrived
and found a single full NL $1/$2 game, for which I added myself to the
list.
While I waited, I took a seat in the $10/$20 limit HE game run by the
T.E., the proprietor of the I Club. This was a tough game. I made
the sixth player in this short-handed, aggressive game. I knew nearly
all the players from previous visits to the I Club. T.E. himself was
playing, as was M.S., who is a pro-ish poker player who co-ran the O
Club and now helps run the U Club. I can beat M.S. when he's off his
game, and he tilts pretty easily, but there was no indication he was
there yet, as the game had just started.
I picked the seat that seemed to put the most aggressive players on my
right, although, as it turned out, I still ended up with a very
aggressive player in my left. I didn't really want to be in this
game. But, I didn't want to wait to play. Also, I don't want T.E. to
feel he can't draw people into the game at this new club, as this
$10/$20 game can get really good. Thus, I don't want
this game to stop running for lack of interest. I'm of course not
going to stay in a bad game for a long time, but giving it time to
keep it going while waiting for another seat seems like a reasonable
long-term investment.
I quickly lost $200 by trying to muscle the aggressive players a bit,
which was probably a general mistake. I work much better in
short-handed limit games like those online, where there are
hyper-aggressive people who take flops a bit too easily. Instead, I
was surrounded by mostly tight-aggressive players who knew tons about
the game.
I picked up my best starting hand in my half hour in this game when I
caught K T in the cut-off. The tight player to
my right raised, but I had noticed he'd been attacking the blinds
pretty hard. I felt that he didn't necessarily have a hand that beat
mine.
Calling would have been foolish; I had to clear the field and decided
to three-bet. I was mortified when M.S. called cold from the
SB,
and was sure I was beat in at least once place. I felt better when that
tight player just called. At this point, I had him on probable medium
pair or a reasonable ace-high. If he had me dominated, it was by KQ
specifically, I thought. But, meanwhile M.S. was the big concern.
The flop came Q-high with two spades. The two checked to me, I bet, M.S. called and the tight player raised. I obviously needed to catch to win, so I just called. M.S. tossed his hand quickly,
and I was hoping that maybe we had cleared a K from the field and given
myself two additional outs. The turn hit
the draw with the A .
The tight player bet and I just called, which I realized was a silly
move. I doubted after calling that he'd bet the river, because if he
had only a pair, he would be too afraid of the board. OTOH, I suppose
raising right away might get a fold from a Q, whereas that Q might
check-call the river if I only called the turn. Regardless, I was
unhappy with my mere call as the river came.
I was surprised when he bet again. I raised and got paid off. He
mucked what he said was two pair, and was a bit unhappy that I played
KTs in that spot, but I am still pretty happy with the play from start
to finish, save the mere call on the turn.
A few minutes later, I surprisingly discovered that this player was none
other than brettbrettbrett! A few minutes later, Dan from the old I
Club and River Street showed up. He reminded brettbrettbrett of a goofy hand where I bluff-raised Dan on
the river after misreading the board on the flop and getting in deep
with no way to win. brettbrettbrett decided that given
that loose play, he surely should have three-bet with two pair in our
spot just a few minutes earlier. Too bad Dan hadn't shown up a few
minutes earlier to give brettbrettbrett that
advice. :)
With Dan joining the game, it was getting even worse. I was walking
away down just $2, and I was glad to see that enough people had shown
up to get a second $1/$2 NL game going.
I was also glad to see the new game included a number of regulars from
the old O club. Mostly, they were tight-weak players who overplay one
pair. At the other end of table, were two players — a woman and
a man — who had showed up together, and seemed like they must
have been O regulars, but probably from the late period just before
the bust since I'd never seen them before. I never caught the
fellow's name, but heard the woman, K.A., tell many people her
name.
Indeed, it was hard not to hear her. She gave a running commentary of
every hand to her friend, cagily trying to cover her mouth as she
spoke. This is the moment where I really love the Bose headphones.
So many people think I can't possibly hear that well with them on,
when, in fact, it is the best way to hear people whispering across the
table because they filter out the noise in-between.
Not, however, that there was anything that interesting being said. Her
analysis was obvious and lacked insight. She also got amazingly
frustrated by the most minor of things. It was as if someone acting
out of turn was a personal affront to her sensibilities. She started
to get on my nerves.
As my annoyance rose, it brought something about my own play to my
attention. From time to time, I used to be a player who wasn't all
that different from K.A. Surely I have “been her” at the
table more often in the past than I would like to remember. I
realized that her ego and self-importance about how poker worked was
part of my edge in the game. I'd been there before; I'd made that
selfish mistake of thinking the game was there for me, and now I could
see her doing the same thing. I had the same edge against her in the
game that others used to have against me.
I unfortunately didn't gain a moment against her to use to my
advantage, but her money moved around the table enough as she played
too obvious of a game, failed to bet out with top pair and bemoaned
that those who had called her preflop raise with junk had hit a
higher pair on the turn. Generally, she played in that “tight
but uninformed” style that I've come from prefer in players.
It's amazing to see people who learn enough about the game to not be
total fish then just stagnate. People just don't seem to realize that
anything worth doing requires a lifelong endeavor of learning to keep
pace.
Indeed, the game reminded me about the need for constant vigilance in
poker. I made an horrendous call with the nut straight on a
runner-runner flush board that was checked around on the flop. I
rivered the straight after calling a small bet on the turn, and then
made the classic widow poker mistake of not being cognizant that
shared cards mean a card that helps you can often help your opponent
more. And, after all, straight vs. flush is the easiest of all
examples of this concept.
That $82 lost, and being $250 down by then, I looked at my clock and
decided I'd leave that game even or better. Now, it's not usually
good to set goals that confined in a time frame, since there's often
not enough time to recover. But, I felt at that moment if I put some
pressure on myself to truly play a better game than all of my
opponents, I'd succeed.
I fortunately didn't disappoint myself. I trapped a hyper-aggressive
chronic bust-and-rebuy player for his whole stack when we both turned
a flush and mine was the nut-flush. (I'll put more about that hand in
a post this weekend.) Once I got that stack, I had to tighten up and
avoid drawing hands as two reasonable but beatable players were on my
left with bigger stacks. I hoped to trap them and double through
in a big way, but instead I picked up a pretty good pot by out-kicking
a JT with AT against a passive player on my right. I was $100 up as
the hour of my departure rolled around.
Sometimes, it's worth looking at a weak game and setting a goal for the
night for yourself.
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Failed Play against Dan at the H Club
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 My illness broke my posting routine, and I apologize to my readers who
had gotten used to very regular posts. I'll strive to get regular
posting going again.
I was sick from last Wednesday, missed two days of work at the end of
last week, and didn't start feeling better until Saturday morning.
But, by Saturday evening, I was ready to play poker again.
Dan and I went to the H Club in NYC. Dan is a relatively new player
who came to me about one year ago asking for advice to learn NL HE.
His game has improved a lot over the past year, and he is now a
reasonable tight-aggressive player. However, I know quite a bit about
his game, which was a factor in the hand I'm about to describe.
I bought in for the $500 maximum in the $1/$2 NL HE game. I saw a ton
of flops with reasonable multiway hands — I was dealt about a
dozen pocket pairs which I took to multiway flops and failed to flop
any sets. I took a number of flops with suited connecting cards and
other surprise hands, but failed to connect there as well. I rebought
for another hundred and but was still struggling to keep my stack at
$400.
Dan, meanwhile, was playing very well. He was raising frequently
preflop, and was making good choices about raise sizes. It took a $20
(!) preflop raise to get just one caller. Dan was carefully doing
that with his big unconnected cards and big pairs. He was using
position very well to win pots uncontested, and was properly
value-betting his holdings to protect strong but vulnerable holdings.
I felt he was really playing well.
It was in this context that the following hand came up. From middle
position, Dan raised to $20 after one limper ahead of him. From
watching his play and knowing his game, I knew that he had two big
unconnected cards (AK, AQ or maybe AJ or KQ), or he had a big pair (JJ
or better, maybe TT). I was on the button and it was folded between
us.
At this point, I simply decided to call regardless of my holding. The
limper looked annoyed enough at the raise, and even if I generated
1-to-2 for him, he'd fold. The blinds were distracted and probably
folding. I'd be able to take a flop heads up with position, and
really felt I might be able to outplay Dan on the right flop. I was
correct about the first part, at least — we saw the flop
heads-up with $45 in the pot. (BTW, even though it doesn't matter at
all for the telling of the hand, I held K 6 . I had no hand/no draw and on ever street Dan was winning by far.)
The flop was A 8 3 . Dan relatively quickly bet $40. I
considered my options of what hand I could represent. I felt very
strongly that Dan had an Ace by his mannerism of betting and by the
amount. I felt if he was to bet the flop with something else, he'd
bet less with non-Ace hands (say, K K ). The question was whether or not he had a
big spade to go with the his "red ace". I couldn't know for sure if
he was drawing well, so I felt I had to represent a made flush.
The question was: how would Dan think I would play such a hand? Well,
I figured it was good I was taking some time to act. I figured if I
called automatically, Dan would be inclined to think "draw", not only
because quick calls often indicate draws, but also because he knows
I've told him that. In other words, he might easily think I'd try to
"throw him off" by doing the obvious "weak play" with a draw. I
waited a few more seconds, and decided that an immediate raise would
be the exact play to look like a pure bluff to him, so I called. The
pot was $125 into the turn.
The turn was a blank, a 4 or something like that. Dan
thought only briefly and bet $40 again. I read this clearly as Dan
backing off. If he really had read me for a spade draw, he'd have
bet the pot size again. I really felt strongly at this point that
he had AQ or AK and no spade. I decided now was the time to carry
through and represent a relatively strong (but not the nut) flush.
I raised just $60 more, hoping he would see it as a value raise from
a flush against someone I thought had no flush draw. I really
expected Dan to reluctantly fold.
He began saying to the dealer, strangely and out of character, just
$60 more. $60 more; that's it? . He quickly called. At this
moment, I had to reconsider my read. The $60 more? thing was
obviously representing a big spade, and at this point I had to
really consider it. AQo with Q was a serious possibility. I pondered and watched Dan as
the river fell. I knew if he checked the river, I'd have to bet at
least $100 of my depleted chips and hoped he didn't call with his
Ace.
Dan saw the river card, glanced back at his stack and said one
hundred . I took a peak at the 7 and refocused on Dan as he pulled out a stack of chips. I
began to put Dan on that Q , as the dealer confirmed the count of his bet. After all,
why would he bet one third of the pot on the river?
Then came "the glance". Dan's eyes met mine for much less than a
second, but I read something there. He had no spade. There was
almost no doubt in my mind. He had decided to represent that flush if
the spade fell; that's what the out-of-character just $60 more?
stuff meant. He was overselling the bluff.
However, I thought I saw something else. I got this distinct feeling
that he had read me as well. I looked down at my stack; I had a mere
$215 left, which meant a raise would be basically a min-raise. I felt
that Dan was telling me something like: I don't think you have a
single spade at all and I'm going to call you with this ace . I
felt very confident he didn't have spade; not totally sure, but well
over 70%. But, when I added to that the likelihood that he'd call
anyway with an Ace because he suspected a bluff, I decided that I'd
have to fold. For show, I said: Well, Dan, I have a small flush
but I had you on the K . I can't call.
Later, Dan and I talked in detail about the hand. Dan had decided to
represent the flush draw on the turn, but obviously had failed to
execute perfectly because of the look on the river. He confirmed that
what was really going on is he hadn't realized that $100 was such a
large bet (relatively to my stack) on the river, but that he wouldn't
have called a river raise. He actually had me on a weak flush draw,
not a made flush, so the 7 was, in some sense, as scary for him as it was for me, but
thought I could make a good laydown of, say, the naked T .
It's not often I try to set up a pure bluff and play someone else's
hand. I usually try to do it against players whom I play a lot with
and with who I have a long history of talking about poker strategy. I
used to feel somewhat safe doing this, but I wonder if this was simply
a mistake. Should I be trying to set up plays like this? Am I
picking the wrong players; should I instead chose tight-weak players
whose game I know well? I figure I eventually have to learn how to
make these complicated plays, and who better to try than those whose
game I know well and whom I know are working hard to play
correctly?
Anyway, I have to say that I think Dan played the hand very well. He
suspected that something might be going on. I think my biggest
mistake was not raising just a bit more on the turn. Dan confirmed
that he would have folded to a raise of even $80 more instead of $60
more. Also, I should have given more consideration to going all-in on
the river. I would have bet $215 to win $425, which is almost
2-to-1. I only have to be right one out of three times to make that
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A Friday Night at L and H Clubs
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Monday 13 February 2006 @ 23:39
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 On Friday, I played at a few clubs in NYC. Originally, I was supposed to
attend a home game in Queens, but the host never returned my email or
phone calls. I decided to go to the L Club, which was reopening after
the busts, and head to the H Club afterwards.
I'll say more in a full review, but I am usually not a fan of the L
Club. However, there are few clubs left around NYC, so I will have to
put up with it.
I spent about two hours at the L club. I was glad that the staff was
was a bit better than usual. They had two $1/$2 NL HE games running,
and a small tournament. I played $1/$2 at a table that drifted
between tight-weak and loose-passive.
I made most of my profit for the night on one hand at the L club. A
fellow holding what I clearly read to be a "reasonable pair" 88-JJ
raised to only $6 preflop, and I called $4 from the BB with 46s, after
the small blind also called. I like taking flops with this kind of
hand, particularly against players who likely will overplay one pair,
and even more so when the flop comes 462 rainbow. The SB, holding
what I think was A6, bet out too much, around $30. I immediately made
it $100 to go. I'd been running over the table 15-20 minutes before
when they were playing tight-weak. I knew the pair-holder behind me
was glad to finally have a "hand" against me. He immediately
under-raised for his whole $101 stack with 99. While I did have to
explain to the dealer that not all board pairs counterfeit flopped two
pair (the river came a 4, and she start shipping to 9s and 4s), I won
a substantial pot. My opponent walked out in disgust; they always do
when you take their stack with 64s. When will they learn about
implied odds, and how to give up on one pair when it is clearly beat?
Hopefully never.
I eventually moved onto the H Club, which I hadn't been to since its
recent relocation. After some minor difficult getting into the club,
I found they had the same nice setup as before, although the smoking
room — like it is in so many clubs now — is far too close
to the table. I played another coupled of hours there and lost a mere
$6.
I played two hands poorly, one at the L and the other at the H. At the
L club, when our table was full and still a bit tight weak, I held AKo
and made it $10 to go after a couple of people limped. I got one
caller and saw the flop heads up with position with $28 in the pot and
lots behind. We checked through a rainbow flop of JT8 and when the J
turned, he quickly checked again. I bet out $30 after thinking for a
moment. I felt that he would have bet a J or T on the turn (or
perhaps the flop), and didn't think he had much of a hand. This
player was pretty tight and was unlikely to call. I was surprised
when he check-raised. I actually think he had a hand that he
inappropriately slow-played. I think, for example, that he may have
had JT, Q9, or AJ on the flop, and then checked again to induce a bet
from me, an aggressive player.
However, it was really stupid to bet out there, because I'm not
representing a hand that makes sense. I don't think he outplayed me,
but he may have, and it was a good spot to do it. If I am going to
bluff in that hand, it has to be on the flop for half the pot.
At the H Club, I won a pot with A A that I could have easily lost. I reraised a
min-raise of $4 preflop to $12, and got two callers behind me, as
well as the original raiser. Behind me, one player was a very loose, and
usually passive (but capable of making plays when holding flush
draws, which he loved). The other, on the button, was a young
"grinder" type who thought he was better than he was. However, I
didn't have the kid figured out completely yet. The min-raiser, to
my immediate right, was a tight-aggressive player who knew a bit
about the game. The two behind me had stacks of about $300 or so; I
and the min-raiser had about $500.
I got worried about the KJ8 rainbow flop, and I bet a mere $35 into the
$52 pot and was called by the two behind me, and the min-raiser
folded. I realized immediately after that I probably should have bet
more. I was making it a bit too cheap for their likely straight
draws. OTOH, I was hoping to avoid getting to involved in a big pot.
I doubt they would raise without at least two pair, so I wanted to
muck the aces if they raised. Without a flush draw on board, I didn't
expect a raise behind me from a draw.
The turn fell 2 , putting two clubs on the board. I decided I
had the best but vulnerable hand I decided to take the pot with $100
bet into the $157 pot. It did as expected, but I still think
somehow that I should have played stronger on the flop to avoid
giving the straight draws an easy call.
At the H club, I meet two friendly players named Jeff and Ryan. Jeff
seems to be a bit of insider on the NYC poker scene, and was able to
tell me that the O Club has reopened, and that another club (the T
Club) has also opened. I've got some visits and reviews to do.
I took
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Off to L and H Clubs
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nice change of pace. However, the organizer is a bit unreliable. I'm
off to visit the two clubs still open after all this mess. Here's to
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Confirmation on More Busts
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Monday 6 February 2006 @ 23:13
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 Yes, it is as I suspected. The O Club was indeed busted. The rumor is
that there was some sort of "altercation" at the place, to which the
police were called, and decided to bust the club as part of the whole
thing. I am somehow not surprised; since the club was not highly
screened; anyone could get in there. It was the easiest one to
discover and go to of all the city's clubs.
I learned too of another club, called Double Take, that
was opened by the PlayStation crew for merely two weeks before again
being busted. I assume that these guys are just a target that the
police keep hitting.
The other clubs I know about have dropped further underground. There
is one still running where I don't trust the management much (The L
Club), one that struggles to get people in (The E Club), one that is
pretty exclusive and well run but was mostly sharks at the table (The
H Club), and one that is in a part of town I'd prefer to avoid at
night (the K club). I am getting deeply frustrated by the whole
situation. I wonder if it is really worth it to play poker in NYC
anymore.
It's not that I don't want to confront the police about this —
far from it. I don't really believe that it should be illegal and I
am not really that afraid of being busted (other than the general
inconvenience of it), especially given that it isn't illegal for
players.
The difficulty is that one must be on top of things to play. I'm not
deeply in the NYC poker scene. I know a few people who occasionally
answer my emails, and that's about it. I am not deep enough in the
scene to hear by osmosis that there have been busts, changes, or
otherwise that the clubs I once went to are now gone.
I can only hope that the H Club has gotten better. I hope to go again
this week or next, if it's still there. I was inspired again this
weekend to begin reviewing clubs, but it seems somewhat pointless if
they disappear so quickly. I'll keep thinking on it.
There are a number of important issues in the world today, and
legalizing poker is probably not at the top of the list of urgent
things needed. But, the missed tax revenue for the city and the waste
of time for the police is not to be ignored here. It seems hopeless,
though, given that the Atlantic City casinos would surely lobby to
keep it illegal. The last thing they want is local
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It Could Be ... It Could Be Worse!
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Saturday 4 February 2006 @ 18:34
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discussed a terribly played hand of NL HE at a local NYC club. As
I've mentioned, “bad beats” just
don't get to me anymore, and I feel fine as soon as I know my
money went in correctly and as a favorite. However, I feel awful when
I lose a big stack or pot due to my own terrible mistake (or series of
them). That's how I felt all night after playing that
pot, and even into the next morning as I commuted to work.
I tried to put it out of my mind. I carried out my normal commuting
ritual of listening to recorded books on my portable audio player. And,
what did I come upon somewhere in Midtown, but the following quote
from the Partly
Cloudy Patriot by Sarah Vowell:
My motto in any situation is “It could be worse!” “It
could be worse!” is how I meet every setback. Though, nothing all that
bad has ever happened to me, every time I've ever had my heart broken, or
gotten fired or watched an audience member at one of my book signings have
a seizure as I stand at the podium trying not to cry, I remind myself: “It
could be worse!” In my self-help universe, when things go wrong, I
whisper mantras to myself; mantras like “Andersonville”, or “Texas school
book depository”.
“Andersonville” is a code-word
for “you could be one of the prisoners of war, dying of
disease and malnutrition in the worst confederate prison, so just calm
down about the movie you wanted to go to being sold out”.
“Texas school book depository” means that having the delivery guy forget
the guacamole isn't nearly as bad as being assassinated by Lee Harvey
Oswald as the blood from your head stains your wife's pink suit.
Though, ever since I went to Salem, I'm keen on “Gallows
Hill”. As in, “being stuck in the Boise airport for ten hours, while
getting hit on by a divorced man with ‘major financial problems’, on his
way to his to his twentieth high school reunion, is irksome but not as
dire as swinging
by the neck on Salem's Gallows Hill”.
So, if I have gleaned anything useful from reading and day-tripping
through the tribulations of the long dead, it's to count my blessings
— to try and quit bellyaching — to buck up. Can't you just
hear the children's song?
I began to think a lot about how worse it could be. Yes, I know I
played the hand that way because my recent legitimate poker losses
have left me impatiently looking for a spot to have a big winning
session. I probably overplayed my hand because I thought prematurely
that this was my moment. I made the classic reading mistake of
putting my opponent on the one hand I could beat of many possible
hands that fit the betting pattern and tells.
My bankroll sits at near a half of what it was in December, but it is
still a full $3,000 more than it was a year ago at this time. I still
have enough that I don't need to drop down limits. As Sarah says, “It
could be worse!”
As I pondered this, the next track after the quote above started. I
was treated to a song by what is probably my favorite band, They Might Be Giants. This wasn't a
shuffle accident; I was playing sequentially. TMBG did music for
Sarah's audio book. This was
They Might Be Giants' rendition of Sarah's “It Could Be Worse!”
mantra; their interpretation of the “children's song” she mentioned.
(Give a listen.)
So, I'm going to keep those mantras, and this song, in my head at the
poker table. I even wrote another stanza of it of my own:
You flopped trips with ten-seven,
And paid off sixes-full.
But, your stack was less than those lost accounts,
in the 80's S&L scandal.
“Gallows Hill”, and “Andersonville”, it could be ...
It could be worse!
My new mantra for bad beats and bad plays: “80's S&L scandal!”! |
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