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SIF@HOME 0x1: Can We Play Stud/8, b/c HighOnPoker is PL Draw Specialist?
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Sunday 15 October 2006 @ 20:15
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- Date:
- Sunday 15 October 2006
- In attendance:
- Contraphonic, Dawn
of
ihadouts, highonpoker, princessmaigrey (aka maigrey),
SamTheDealer, W.D.
- Mix:
- Limit O/8, NL Crazy Pineapple, Razz, PLO,
TD2-7 (was Limit HE first round), NL HE, Limit Stud/8, PL Draw-High
My report is below:
The mix negotiation started with some complaining that Stud and some
other games suck as PL (inspiring me to later clarify
this issue in the rules), and some demand that we pick more limit
games. We threw in a lot of Omahas, which I really liked, and limit
HE was added. At first, NL HE wasn't in the mix, but into the first
round, many complained we had too much Omaha , and we replaced
PLO/8 with NL HE, and then later realized that put two HEs against
each other and we replaced the limit HE with TD2-7.
PL Draw-High was insisted on by HighOnPoker, since he won
so much in the last game and had since become a PL Draw
specialist . Since it was
fast, he argued, it would be the palate cleaner — the sorbet of
our mix. I'd have much rather taken NL 2-7 Single Draw for this, but
maybe next time.
The games played relatively tight, most going heads up early. But, as
split pot games are wont to do, O/8 induced a fair bit of action, and
Stud/8 was, well, insane. Early on in Stud/8, I pushed a lot of chips
in with kings up, like a fool, and HighOnPoker rivered the high by
pairing his ace. I thought I was stuck in the same situation when I
later made queens and treys on fourth (!) but fortunately filled, and
then made quad 3s. W.D. thankfully had no low but a weaker full house
instead (which he exposed on sixth thinking we were done, causing me
to miss what probably would have been a three bet on the river, I
think — see, the mistake saved you money, W.D.!).
Dawn showed her undying love, as always, for Stud/8 by playing almost
every last pot that was dealt. Can we talk her out of it? I am not
sure, but I keep trying. (Hint to Dawn: Read T. Brunson's
chapter, twice, before next week!) Anyway, Stud/8 seems to be
the crowd pleaser of the game because (a) Dawn loves dealing it, (b)
Dawn (and sometimes HighOnPoker) seem incapable of folding in it, and,
AFAICT, maigrey is some sort of Stud/8 specialist —
or at least prefers the game.
Well, I like all the games. Of course, I'd love to get some PL stud
games in, notwithstanding maigrey's undying hatred of the
very idea (hey, the British are our allies, so why not play
poker like they do sometimes? In other news, I'm calling the next straight I get a “sequence”). I am sure we could get Dawn real
interested in PL Stud/8, I mean, hey, Dawn, you can go all-in
and get all those cards! It's like NL HE and Stud/8 at the
same time!
The dealing went very well on the new table. I was, if nothing else,
right about round being a good choice. There were fewer dealer
errors, although we all have to learn that Crazy Pineapple is crazy
for a reason — you've got to wait for the discards
before dealing the turn! I asked the field to try and wait for the
first spill until game 0x02, but we did get a few droplets on it. I
noticed that the felt depressed rather easily, as elbows on the table
quickly left noticable indentations on the felt. I believe it's
2-to-1 against them coming back to normal, but even if they don't, the
table is still excellent.
Despite the tough hit when I held big-full-then-quads against W.D.'s
small full, I think W.D. (a NL HE specialist) adjusted to mix games
well. You see, playing tight when you don't know the game is a
strategy that really can't go too wrong. Sure, you might miss some
positive-EV situations, but you don't get yourself into major
negative-EV when you tighten up.
The big winner for the night was SamTheDealer, who seemed to be able to
scoop constantly in O/8, even if he does call two bets cold on the
river in a three way pot with third-nut/sixth-nut. :)
Other than that, there isn't much to report by way of big crazy hands.
It's mostly the mundane pots that got heads-up or three handed by the
later betting rounds and someone (usually SamTheDealer :) outdrew
someone else (usually maigrey :) and money shipped
around. It was poker; it was fun; but you probably had to be
there.
As for snacks, I clearly moved from too much to too little. Late in
the session, W.D. said to me, in his litigator sort of way, are
these all the snacks that are available? I suppose I'll buy more
next time; I'd forgotten the cookies really did go well,
since I bought four whole bags, and only one and a half were left
after Game 0x00. Sure, I had left overs, but nearly three out of four
bags gotten eaten! And, for the record, Twix appear to be slightly
more popular with mixed game poker players than Kit Kat.
We did, however, order Chinese food which worked well. I'd forgotten
that my local places do lunch specials, even on weekends, and half the
table enjoyed some pretty good delivery. We can hit the good pizza
places too.
I don't want to jinx it, but I feel like this game is likely to go
regularly. My wife and I are ready to do it weekly semi-permanently,
so long as we don't go beyond the end time. Although, another idea
that she and I came up with is to play a marathon game (say,
12:30PM-midnight) every other week. I don't think
I'd want to make this the norm, but maybe once every few months, I'll
declare a “marathon game”. My real worry here is that
people would come and go too much, so I'd only want to do it if a core
group wanted to seriously play for 10-12 hours straight. Let me know
your thoughts in the comments.
Finally, in Bill Mahr style. New Rule: People with
the Caro-classic “lean back” tell are prohibited from
sitting in the white kitchen chairs in my apartment. Those chairs
don't lean back, so if you get the nuts, it might collapse. |
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Why Play Mixed Games?
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Tuesday 10 October 2006 @ 19:07
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 Some suggested that it isn't a good idea to
play in mixed games, arguing that Mixed games are to give each
player a chance to play a game (s)he is good at. I want to play
a game I am good and and not games other people are good at. Thereby
increasing my EV . I think this argument is ultimately flawed,
and I think most of the players in the Big Game would disagree. I am
not completely sure what their arguments against it would be, but I
have a few arguments against it that are likely more like to be
applicable to the small-time, recreational-but-profitable player.
Fundamentally, I believe this argument that you get maximum EV only by
playing your best game relies on two flawed assumptions: (a) the
relative popularity and competition of specific forms of poker don't
change over time, and (b) that poker games are so different that EV
from one doesn't transfer to the other. Were (a) and (b) both true,
one would usually be correct to select only games in which one is an
expert. You'd usually reach maximum EV in such a case.
In thinking about (a), I immediately remembered a two or three page
section of Jesse
May's book, Shut Up and Deal. I read this pre-boom book
many years ago, and it frankly is a lackluster tale of high stakes
limit HE. But this one section really stood out, and it has probably
influenced my desire to be good at all forms of poker as much as my
history of beginning my poker career in mixed games did. (I am
retelling it from memory as I don't have the book handy; forgive
errors, but the gist is right.)
In a brief first person description, May describes the difference
between him and the local casino's high stakes limit HE
“specialist”. May points out that this fellow sits in his
$50/$100 limit HE game and holds court. This fellow points out the nuances of
every play, and has opponents who are just a notch or two below him on
the skill pecking order. That specialist wins, most of the time, but fights to eek
it out while he continues to watch his competition catch up.
The hero of the story, on the other hand, isn't afraid to go sit in the
$20/$40 stud game. Sure, HE is his best game, and he's only a mediocre
stud player. But, the difference between his mediocre skills and the
abysmal skills of the opponents in that game makes sure he can win
more than the other fellow ever could against that tough lineup in the
$50/$100 HE game. Sure, they are both winning players, but who is
winning more? Our hero, despite the lower stakes. Who is the better
poker player? It's not even close — our hero.
Poker is not just about micro-edges. It's not just about whether or
not you can bet the right amount on the river to get a value bet paid
off by middle pair. Sure, you have to know how to do that to win in
poker. But, that's just a small part of the picture. The macro-edges
are where it matters, and the biggest macro-edge is game selection.
Indeed, I'd argue that the key macro-edge is long term game
selection ability.
What game the fish want to play changes over time. Do you want to be
the best HE player against eight people who are only make one mistake
every hour, or do you want to be an above average Stud/8 player against
eight opponents who each make two mistakes every other hand? What's your
best EV? The point is that if you plan to maximize your EV for your
poker lifespan, you have to be able to play every single game
well. You don't know — none of us do — what form of poker
will sweep the world next. We've seen, maybe not in our lifetimes, but
certainly in Doyle Brunson's and T.J. Cloutier's, NL HE go from being the
most popular game in the world, to only played in tournaments, to the most
popular game. That 30 year cycle can happen again, easily.
Think of the history of poker. At the moment, NL HE is by far the most
popular game. Just four years ago, limit HE tables filled every poker
room and NL HE was basically dead, except in tournaments on occasion.
Go back a decade, and, especially on the east coast, Stud and Stud/8
were the games most commonly spread. Stretch back two or three
decades, it was again NL HE. Two or three decades before that, it was
mixed five card stud and seven card stud. Once you stretch back back
to 1880, you find prominently five card draw with only a little bit of
Stud. Pick any 60 year span, and you're going to find at least four
different games that you'll need to be prepared to play.
Indeed, even since I started playing for serious stakes back in 2002,
the poker world has changed in this regard. The books that I
had to buy back then were Lee Jones followed by HEFAP.
Limit HE was where the money was then. I've watched the world shift
around me. Should I have never ventured and plopped down some cash
— with negative EV, mind you — in that early
River Street NL HE nuttiness to earn my chops in that game? If I
hadn't, I surely would be walking around like the rest of the limit HE
specialists desperate for a good game, fighting tight edges, and
generally not finding the games as lucrative as they once were.
Instead, I can make steady money with less variance because I play the
much weaker competition floating around the NL HE games.
Meanwhile, the last few weeks I've been hitting that sweet O/8 game on
Monday nights here in NYC — better EV than any NL HE game I
could find in the same geographical area. In other words, the poker
world shifts, and the money dumps happen in different places. You get
the best EV when you are poised to catch it no matter where it
falls.
This leads to the next point, and the refutation of (b) above. Poker
skill is transferable. Read Theory of Poker. There are
general principles that can be extrapolated from one game to the next. At
times, you even don't see how a concept works in one game until you switch
to another and see it applied there. What you learn in one game expands
your mind and teaches you how to think differently about another game.
A simple example: How many HE-only players really understand the
concept of a true freeroll and how dangerous it can be? This is a simple
concept for the PLO, O/8 and Stud/8 player, but many HE players can't
get it. But, I have, a few times folded a second-nut straight
precisely because I knew that my opponent most likely held the same
straight, but could very well have a freeroll against me. Sure
enough, when I've seen the hands shown down due to other player's
all-ins, I've seen people holding the same straight plus a gutshot or
the same straight with a flush draw. This situation happens extremely
rarely in HE, but if you have some PLO, O/8 or Stud/8 experience, you
can learn how to detect it and avoid it.
A more complex example: I spent years playing limit HE, and got very
used to the difficulty of the turn and the rising pot odds. Many
people take flops and turns in limit HE, and they often hit strange
two pair holdings and even sets. You often have to be prepared to
fold top pair or an overpair when you've taken a turn in a big
multiway pot and someone (min)-raises you and just can't be bluffing.
Experienced limit HE players will recognize this situation
immediately, but it's not a common one in NL/PL forms of poker.
However, I sat in NL HE games that play much like limit. Not at first,
of course, because you're making a pot-sized bet. But, against
extremely loose players, it doesn't matter that you are making
pot-sized bets, or even larger. You get call , call ,
call all the way down the line. Now, when someone min-raises,
you are getting these amazing pot odds, and the player who grew up on
NL HE only is going to sit and think: How in the world does someone
fold being offered 5-to-1? . But, the truth is, you're drawing
dead or near dead (3 outs or less). So, you let it go. It is only
because of my limit HE experience that I can recognize these
situations and let go of hands in these spots.
Poker is about adapting to changing conditions, not only on the
micro-level that we all think about daily, but also on the macro-level
over a period of years. If you don't expand your poker mind, and become a
bit of a Renaissance player, that EV in your “best game” can
easily disappear.
The best players in the world are mixed games players. I meet a lot of
poker players who are much worse than me and a lot who are much better
than me. Generally, the ones who are much better play more than just
one game, even if it's just two. Almost every very strong player out
there has spent some time playing lots of different games. Even the
amazing limit HE specialists I know like roryk who have
resisted going to NL HE are usually branching out into other forms of
limit poker at the very least.
I have many times offered up my home game as a learning game. I want
to keep that feel to it. Everyone there is in constant search of good
EV, they wouldn't be good poker players otherwise. Yes, it's probably
not the best game to maximize your EV over the six hour period in
question. However, I assure you that playing mixed games at
reasonable but not high stakes against reasonably good
players will be a windfall for your long term EV. And, that's what
poker is about, isn't it, focusing on long term EV rather than
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SIF@HOME 0x0: In Mixed Games, We Vary Our Play
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Sunday 8 October 2006 @ 10:23
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- Date:
- Saturday 7 October 2006
- In attendence:
- Dawn of
ihadouts
(Dawn's
post about this game), highonpoker (HighOnPoker's
post about this game), mary423, princessmaigrey (aka maigrey), SoxLover,
SethTheOtherLawyer, tmttr.
- Mix:
- NL HE,
TD2-7, PLO, Stud/8, PL 5-Card-Draw, and O/8
My report is below:
I believe the first instance of SIF@HOME was successful, especially
given that I had to practically throw five poker players out of my
apartment, whom I believe would have actually stayed until midnight
and finally ordered food as I kept suggesting we might want
to do.
The game started seven
handed, went to eight handed, then nine handed (requiring people to
sit out for TD2-7), then fell again to eight and then seven, and for
the last two hour or so, six.
I think the stakes level worked out ok for some. Dawn Summers, who
insisted that she was attending only the inaugural game, is likely to
come back as she seemed to amass chips unbelievably well as people
seemed to go all the way to the river with her over and over again in
Stud/8 while they missed draws, and she somehow kept scooping with one
pair. She also did well in the PLO rounds.
I pushed her out of one of the PLO pots with an all-in coup holding
merely a semi-wrap (10 out or so) straight draw and weak flush against
HighOnPoker, who was $11 short of an all-in in a large pot and held a
better flush draw. I was glad to be holding blockers, but the flush
got there. (Dawn folded two pair, quite correctly, because against
our likely holdings and combined outs, she was a bit of a
underdog.)
Much of the day was rather straightforward poker, but enjoyable because
it was a good group enjoying the game. I think PL Draw High isn't
that good of a game, because it doesn't generate much action and fails
to generate much interest unless huge hands are against each other. Some
argued that made the game more about reads, which perhaps it is, but who is
really going to practice enough PL Draw to get good reads on
opponents?
Regarding organizational issues, it's clearer now than ever that the
round table (should be here this week!) was a good choice. Dawn's
table is very nice, but being oval, it still makes it difficult for
people on the far ends to deal. The only true misdeals we had were
dealt by people on the ends. Plus, it's really hard to see everyone
clearly.
I know some who were here yesterday felt the stakes were a bit high, so
I hope that everyone ended up comfortable with what we had. I scared
the heck out of myself when I thought I'd mis-cashed out an earlier
departure, and was so worried I threw extra money of my own in the
kitty just to make sure, and it turns out when we got to the end,
everything was just fine. I suppose that was the only part about the
stakes that bothered me a little bit — I've never been the
“cage” for more than $40 before. :)
I cannot finish a post about yesterday without pointing out that Greg
was ultimately right in the results of his failed experiement: you just can't pull off the powers of two chip
denomination thing unless the entire game is made up of computer
scientists. I finally realized toward the end of day that it was
about biology more than anything else: people are born with five
fingers, and I'm not going change a couple of million years of
evolution simply by explaining how binary is really cool. Frankly, as
W.K.'s new ThinkGeek t-shirt says: There are 10 types of people in
the world, those who understand binary and those who don't . How
many of you get that joke? Yeah, that's what I figured. :-/
Anyway, as maigrey said, Whatever justification it is you
need to have standard chip values, you go ahead and believe
it . So, after just one game, I'll abandon the great CS
geekiness of my game. I was unable to convince anyone in the game
to do away with opposable thumbs, nor chop off a pinky, and
besides, they'd have to go back in time and grow up in a
non-decimal culture for it to work. Freaking decimal-oriented, five-fingered freaks!
I'm going to keep the $2 chip, because it's a tribute to my years at
Foxwoods in the 2/4 and 4/8 games, and that chip value does make
playing 4/8 limit easier. However, I'll go for $1, $2, $5, $25 now.
Does that make you all happy — killing my inner nerd? :)
I will probably mix up what days the home game occurs for the next few
weeks, and see how the attendance pans out. The level of effort for
the game is a bit higher than I thought, so I may need to move to a
twice a month frequency after an initial flurry of test days.
Those of you on the list, watch for an invite soon to next week's
game.
Oh, BTW, my wife says I need to serve better food than just junk food.
My argument is that the donations received didn't cover the food I
bought, which is no big deal — it wasn't mandatory — but
I'm unlikely to up the expense of running the game further. I did
suggest a few times that we could order food, and no one was too
interested. I am going to leave the menus out for my local places for
people to look at to perhaps inspire people to order next time. |
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The Input Is Good; The Game Should Be Excellent
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Friday 6 October 2006 @ 18:42
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 Ok, so another post about how excited I am about this game. I got a
call earlier today from a player, who had some concerns about some of
the details of
the rules I posted for the SIF@HOME games. They were
excellent suggestions and I've incorporated them into the rules
sheet.
I have a really good feeling about all this. I am trying not to set my
expectations too high, because it may not go perfectly, but I am
excited that we have nine (!) players confirmed as Definites and there
is one player interested to get in if there is a no-show.
So, despite the fact that my new
table has yet to arrive and therefore have to wake up poor Dawn
so early in the freaking morning to borrow hers, that I have my old
clunky chip set to use, and the Pharoh back KEM decks I have are
little too subtly different that we might cross-shuffle the decks if
we aren't careful, I am really really excited about SIF@HOME.
I have more improvements to make to the rule page, because I have this
urge to make sure they are complete in at least my mind before the
game starts. But, regardless, it's really something to look forward
to. My wife will probably be regretting the idea that she said
Once a week? Oh, that's fine my book club might meet here once a
week, too . A house full of poker players is a bit crazier than a
book club, but I can't wait for it to happen. See the nine of you
tomorrow! To the rest, I'll try to get a write-up here by Sunday
morning. |
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I'm Not Supposed to Be This Excited, But I Am
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Friday 6 October 2006 @ 14:25
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 I am having trouble containing my excitement. As I mentioned in
previous posts, tomorrow I will host my first home game since about
ten years and two months ago. I have very fond memories of my wonderful
college games, and then my post-college games when I lived for two
years afterwards nearby all my old college poker regulars. I never
got a game going in Cincinnati, and in Boston I played River Street,
which was a Greg's home-game-turned-club, but because of that never
saw the need to start my own game when just about everyone in the
local Boston poker scene played at Greg's game.
I love hosting. I like making the onion dip, which I hope will be the
same hit it was with my old Baltimore crowd. More than that, I love
the idea of playing the game with people in a social setting where
it's a little bit about competition, but also about being friendly and
enjoying our beloved game together.
I am even more excited now that, even though I need to borrow a table
as a backup plan, that my table's delivery is scheduled for the day of
the game. [Update: they just called to reschedule delivery because it didn't arrive at the depot on time. Oh well, we'll have it next week.] Logistically, it's not totally optimal, but it will be
somewhat cool to have the delivery men arrive and set up a brand
spanking new table for us to switch to. Of course, if I get really
lucky, the table will arrive at the beginning of the delivery window,
before the players arrive. If that happens, I won't even mind that
tonight I will have had to lug the loaner table (graciously provided
by the wonderful Dawn Summers of ihadouts) across NYC in
a cab.
For those who want a sneak peak at the new table, you can
find it here, although I ordered green, not the burgundy
shown.
I have to admit, if my home game excitement wasn't so strong, I'd be
pretty downtrodden about the state of poker. I've gotten email after
email from the affiliate managers or from the sites saying that they
plan to stop accepting players in the USA. It seems that of the large
sites, PokerStars and Full
Tilt are holding on tight to staying open. But, although perhaps
it's a bit alarmist, I am worried that the games may never be the
same.
I logged onto Full
Tilt for a couple of hours last night, and was very concerned by
what I saw. More games than usual for a Thursday night (Eastern US
time) were going, and a few seemed like good tables. But, when I got
seats in some $1/$2 and $2/$4 NL HE games, I saw something that really
concerned me. Namely, the shark-to-fish ratio is way off balance.
Usually, when you come on a site, if you see a username you've never
seen before (which, as recently as a few weeks ago, was more the norm
than the exception), the player is typically not that good. This
time, I saw a whole host of new usernames, but the players were
strong. I'm not saying they were particularly good, but they were
solid. They were playing reasonable starting hands, and they weren't
getting trapped paying off with one pair after the flop when beat.
Sure, these players had some weaknesses, but I could see clearly that
they wouldn't be easy to exploit.
I'm hoping it was a bad night. I'm hoping it was a fluke. But, it
could very well be that the confusion of which poker rooms are still
open, and the general media coverage that isn't being too clear about
what the bill actually says may easily be scaring away the casual
player already, even on sites that continue to accept US action.
When I mix this with the dangers of robberies around the NYC clubs, I
am beginning to return to first principles. I used to be only a home
game player; maybe I should be again. As far as playing with any
regularity, that may be the only option for the car-less New Yorker who
doesn't like Greyhound.
Anyway, I'll put all these thoughts aside and focus on the excitement of
SIF@HOME! |
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SIF@HOME: Bradley's Home Game Rules
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Thursday 5 October 2006 @ 21:16
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SIF@HOME: Bradley's Home Game Rules
[Changes
to this document are tracked by a single comment thread
below.]
I have written up these rather extensive rules and procedures for my
home game. Even early in the draft, they reached a rather pedantic level
of detail that probably makes me look about as neurotic as I am. But,
I've thought it through and I have good reasons to be so detailed.
I run a tight ship of a home game. The goal is to make sure that the
rules are very clear, with no confusions, so that if something goes wrong
when there is some cash on the line, everyone knows what to expect. Also,
understanding the type of games that will get played, who gets invited,
and how they will be selected helps the game get started smoothly, and
helps keep from feelings being hurt if someone isn't invited.
In Baltimore, I ran home games regularly all through college and two
years post-college. When I lived in Boston, I was a regular at many
home games, one of which is the (in)famous River Street, which
(albeit temporarily) grew from a home game into a small for-profit
poker club. I've seen friendships destroyed and angry fights at
many a home game that made me quite sad. I'm sure we'll have our
share of drama at SIF@HOME, but by making the rules and procedures
clear, I hope to keep it to a minimum. I guess I ask everyone to
bear with me and trust a little bit that having well-defined
structure is good for the game.
That said, I am very open to the idea of changing the rules and
procedures based on input from everyone. I'd like this to be a
community, and, as such, it should have input from all its members.
So, if you are a member of the game (or, even if you are just an
avid reader of my blog) please use comments on this blog page as a
way to submit ideas and changes.
Table Of Contents
SIF@HOME is always mixed games. Each game will consist of either six
or eight total games. Half of the games are always limit poker and
half are always NL/PL. The mix will be decided by negotiation of the
first arriving players who are present at the game start time; so, be
prompt if you want to give input on the mix. If full and complete
consensus cannot be reached on at least three limit varieties and
three NL/PL varieties, majority vote will be used to fill out the
games to make a full six games. If players arrive while negotiation
is still ongoing, the newcomer will get a full say in the mix
selection; those arriving after the mix consensus has been reached and
written down have no input for that session.
The PL/NL choices are: PLO/8, PLO, NL HE, PL Stud/8, PL Stud,
PL London Lowball, NL 2-7 Single-Draw Lowball, PL 5-Card-Draw-High, PL
Double-Board HE, PL 5 Card Stud, NL Crazy Pineapple.
The limit choices are: Razz, Stud, O/8, HE, Stud/8, 2-7 Triple
Draw Lowball, Badugi, Stud High/Low (Chip Declare),
Crazy-Pineapple/8.
The list of game choices is subject to change, by notice will be on
this page when the game is announced.
The game changes ever round. Some have asked for it to change less
frequently, but mixed games are all about handling the changes, so it
will continue to change every round.
Some have asked for limit-only mixed games, or for there to be more
limit variations than NL/PL in the mix. The goal of this home game is
to mix up PL/NL and limit into a great, exciting mix. If that's not
something that interests you, then this isn't your home game. The
Brits play and enjoy PL Stud and other variations; we can too. I've
decreased the ante levels for PL ante games to make sure they don't
play too big.
This section covers issues of getting enough players to make a game
happen, and the procedures I'll use to try to make a game happen.
Required Number and Short-Handed Rules
Since we are playing mixed games, the game will be considered to have
enough players if at least six players are in attendance.
The goal is to have eight players attend, but the game will go with a
minimum of six and maximum of nine.
I will take great effort to make sure that arriving players don't show
up only to find that a game will be short-handed (i.e., five or
less). However, I of course cannot guarantee that unforeseen events
cause otherwise “Definite” players to become no-shows.
I am always happy to run a game short-handed, but
by the same token, no one who does show should feel obligated to
play with less than six players. The same rule applies if there are
unexpected early departures, but I will try to schedule as best I
can to avoid those as well.
Announcement, RSVP, and Critical Mass
Usually, this game run once each month. A poll is usually sent to regular players for date selection. After a date is selected, a “save the date” message is sent a few weeks before the game.
At least five days before each game, I will send out an announcement to the entire
invite list of a proposed date and time for the next game. People have
until noon two days before the game date to reply if they would like to
join the critical mass for the game; each responder should declare
herself a Definite or a Maybe for that game. Please
only declare yourself a Definite if you can be present for four hours
of the game, and indicate in your reply what time you expect to arrive
and need to leave.
I will not run the game unless I feel assured that six people have
identified as Definite for the entire game time. I will not book
more than nine Definites for any four hour period.
Around 6PM, two days before the game, I will send an email either
confirming the game, or announcing that the game has not reached
critical mass, and will not occur. Therefore, if you wish
the game to go, please be sure to reply as a Definite by noon two
days before the game date. If the game has critical mass,
all Definites will receive an email confirming their status as
Definites, and all Maybes will receive an email asking if they want
to stay on the Maybe list, or perhaps convert to a Definite.
If you are in receipt of a message that names you a
“Definite”, I expect you'll arrive and you don't have to
reply unless you need to cancel.
I will generally take two Maybes for every seat not claimed by a
Definite. Maybes can convert to Definites on a
first-come-first-serve basis up until 10PM on the day before
the game. After that, seats are given in a
first-come-first-serve basis to the Maybes if they show for the
game, but a Maybe must give up his seat if a Definite
arrives, even if the Definite arrives late. If you
are in receipt of a message that names you as a “Maybe”,
it is really better if you get in touch and confirm as a Definite to
lock up your seat.
In general, the goal here is to give a strong incentive for people to
commit as a Definite.
I have not yet established a rule for what to do when Definites become
no-shows. I hope it won't happen. If you need to cancel, please try to
do so before I've declared critical mass, or, if something else comes up,
try to give me 24 hours notice so I can call off the game before people
are committed to arriving.
New Players
This game is for people that I know in Real Life, those who already
know my close friends in Real Life, or for friends of people I know in
Real Life. However, if you'd like to bring a friend, you must arrange
with me ahead of time.
I have purposefully made the stakes reasonable but still non-trivial,
so there has to be some consideration that we make sure people who
come are comfortable with the stakes and are a good fit for the
group. Poker can be an emotional game, and it sometimes takes a
while to be sure that everyone's temperament is a match. This is
a big concern in home games, because we don't have the
infrastructure of a casino to make it possible for strangers to
play against strangers.
Generally, I use a “vouch” system for deciding who to
invite. If a friend that I know really well can indicate to me
that they feel comfortable bringing in a particular new person,
that's fine with me. But, if you're a new player who has just
been brought in, please understand that you may not be able to
bring friends right away. Just talk to me about it, and I'll be
frank about whether I think it's time to expand the circle.
Generally, I want to do so, but like all things in life, it takes
time for everyone to get to know each other and get comfortable.
It's real money on the table, and we all have to have some sense
that no one is going to be dishonorable with anyone else. It
takes time to build that trust.
As for rail-birds, I'm generally against it. My apartment is large
enough to host the game itself, but I don't want to have a
full-blown cocktail party atmosphere. Eight people traipsing
through your place one a month is often enough to bring you to the
point of frustration, so I don't want to start turning my
apartment into a casino once a month. I'm willing to make
exceptions to this if there's a friend of a friend who would
really like to learn the games with the long term goal of becoming
a regular player in the game. Certainly talk to me about that
possibility, but I'll need some tough convincing. Generally, the
people who come should be players, not watchers (except for my
wife, who lives here but doesn't play poker, so you darn well
better make her feel welcome. :)
- Minimum Buy-in:
- The minimum buy-in is $1.
This is so small so that people can goof off on short stacks
on occasion when they have lost a buy-in and want to limit
their losses for the day. While it won't be illegal, it
will be considered bad etiquette to repeatedly rebuy for
amounts less than $20. Exercise the short-rebuy prerogative
sparingly, and ask the other players if they mind if you are
unsure if you are being rude.
- Maximum Buy-in:
- The maximum buy-in is $200,
or half the largest stack if someone at the table has more than
$400. The goal of this rule is to keep the game from getting too
deep-stacked, but to also keep a very large stack from dominating
the table during PL/NL rounds. The idea is that at any time, even
the biggest stack could lose that honor to someone else in one pot,
and leave the victor with the same sized big-stack that loser once
had.
- NL/PL blind games:
- Blinds will be $1/$1 for
the NL/PL blind-based games. Note that the small blind and big
blind are the same amount, as in European card rooms. Both
blinds have options to raise before the next betting round. The
goal here is to keep the game a bit smaller than a $1/$2 game,
and encourage more play beyond the first betting round.
- PL Ante games:
- PL ante games
will play with an “effective” $0.10 ante. The
button will ante for everyone, rounding to the nearest dollar
(to keep away chips worth less than a $1). With 3-4 players,
there is no ante; with 5-9, the ante is $1. The bring-in will
be $1.
- Limit blind games:
- Blinds will be $2/$4 and
games will play as $4/$8 limit, using standard rules for when
the bet goes from small to big.
- Limit Ante games:
- Limit ante games will play
with an “effective” $0.25 ante. The button will
ante for everyone, rounding to the nearest dollar (to keep
away chips worth less than a $1). With 3-5 players, the ante
is $1; with 6-9, the ante is $2. The bring-in will be $2.
Any player may double-bet on fourth street in Stud-high (but
not Stud high/low) when a pair shows.
- Straddling in Blind Games:
- In both NL/PL and
limit blind games, straddling will be permitted. A player in
the position to the immediate left of all blind bets may
straddle for double the previous blind bet. That straddle
will become a blind bet. Players may thus restraddle an
existing straddle bet, which doubles the previous straddle to
its right. This can continue all around the table, such that
the small blind becomes the first to act on the first round.
(Note: this differs from Robert's rules, which allows for only
one straddle. This rule allows for N-2 straddles, where N is
the number of players dealt into the hand.)
- Capped Betting in Limit Games:
- The third raise makes a cap (meaning there can be more than four bets
in a straddled pot). Heads-up unlimited raising is permitted,
if the pot is heads-up when the second raise for that betting
round goes into the pot.
Unless they are trumped by rules stated in this document, the game will
follow Robert's
Rules of Poker. I have made efforts to check and see
where these rules differ, and have noted such here.
Rulings (i.e., interpretation of the rules) are a difficult matter in a
home game, since there is no management who is reasonably
disinterested in the outcome of a particular situation. Barring a
better solution, I will act as “floorperson” on all
disputes (except when I have an active hand at the moment the
dispute begins). In the former cases, my decisions will be final.
I will strive to decide each case in a way that is equitable to the
game as a whole. For example, in a serious misdeal situation that
cannot be rectified, I might decide to pay out based on mathematical
equity to each active hand at the given moment. This is unorthodox,
but if it seems to serve the friendliness of the game, I'll go that
way.
If I am an active player, I will remain neutral. In those cases,
decisions are made by consensus of all inactive players. Consensus
must be reached, and the decision is final. It's in the best
interest of the game for everyone to try to come to a consensus. If
it becomes clear that consensus can't be found, then I will muck my
hand, make a ruling and give up my interest in the a pot. I'd
rather not do this, of course, so I ask that people make reasonable
efforts to reach consensus when a ruling is needed and I'm in the
hand.
Hand Sharing
It's a home game, so we deviate from Robert's Rules' one player to a
hand rule slightly. Namely, it is permissible to show your
hand to inactive players, but you cannot receive advice on how
to play it. However, all players in the game have the right to
see the hand that has been shown, when the hand is complete.
Players who wish to share the contents of their hands with
others are required to hold out the hand from the muck so they
can show it at the end. This rule exists to keep the home game
spirit of “playing along” but also make sure
everyone has equal information in the game.
Dealing and Card Shortages
We typically play “risky” with the number of cards in the
deck. We play 2-7 TD up to seven handed (people to the left of
the big blind sit out until seven-handed is reached). Still,
seven-handed 2-7 TD often requires reshuffles. We play other
draw games a full nine-handed, and reshuffle the predraw muck.
In Stud games, we go for the full nine-handed as well, since,
due to folds, it really is unlikely that we will run out of
cards. However, we never use burn cards in Stud games to
minimize the likelihood.
The dealer is reminded to be careful about running out of cards.
Triple Draw is dealt such that no one can receive the same card
they discarded on that particular round. Mucks are merged after
each draw; however, so it is possible to receive the same card you
discarded on an earlier round of drawing.
The button moves even with Stud games, both to keep count of when the
game should change, and to indicate the actual dealer. Each
person takes a turn dealing when on the button, but the dealer
should never be the one to shuffle a deck. If
you are handed a deck for your deal, do not shuffle it; merely cut
it immediately before your deal. You will shuffle when your deal
is complete, and hand the cleaned deck to the person two to your
left. If a dealer reshuffles his own deck, the deck must be then
given to someone else to shuffle. It is unlikely that someone
would try to stack the deck in this game, but we might as well
make it difficult if someone were to try.
Some of the games are difficult to deal; be sure to ask someone if you
are unsure when to burn, how to handle the muck, etc.
“Coffee-housing” and Inducing Action
In most clubs and poker rooms, speculating about someone's holding,
talking to players to induce action, or disclosing information about
your own hand is prohibited, except when heads-up in a cash game.
That rule does not apply here. All such
speculating and speaking will be permitted by any player with a live
hand. Basically, any sort of talking during a hand more or less
goes, no matter how many players are in the hand. It's a home game;
goof off. However, please don't use aggressive table-talk designed
to confuse and disorient opponents.
Players who have folded or otherwise have no active hand of their own
may not speculate, induce action, or otherwise
coffee-house. The only exception to this rule is the dealer in a stud
game may speculate about boards in-between betting rounds while
dealing up cards.
Too often, games have no clear end and someone inevitably seems to
leave way up, and everyone else is annoyed. All SIF@HOME games will
have a defined end time (typically about eight hours after the start
time). At that time, there is automatically a discussion about who
wants to continue the game and who wants to go home. Since everyone
knows this beforehand, there is less stigma attached with leaving.
Players may leave early or arrive late, but are asked to say so
explicitly when responding during the critical mass period. Also, players
at the game who must leave early should announce it and give the exact
leaving time when they arrive. That way, everyone knows before the
money's in play what will happen if you double up ten minutes before you
go.
An exception is made for this rule if someone has busted out and lost
all their chips. The goal of these game duration policies is to: (a) make
sure the game doesn't get broken up early, (b) make sure enough players
stay for long enough, and (c) to avoid hit-and-run play. However,
regardless of this, someone who has lost a full buy-in should
never under any circumstances feel obligated to
rebuy.
In the interest of making the game continue for its full duration,
those who are playing on short money (in other words, those who
have only one, or less than one, buy-in to play with for the
entire duration) are encouraged to buy-in short-stacked. The buy-in rules permit short-stacked buy-in,
and players are encouraged to make use of that to limit the
amount that they have at risk in the game. The goal here is not
to fleece anyone for more than they can afford; therefore,
players should feel comfortable buying in for amounts around
$40-$60 if they aren't yet comfortable with the games or the
stakes.
[ I realize this is a major trade-off for people who,
as I do, like to play deep-stacked PL/NL games. However, one of the
original goals of this game is to cross-pollinate the limit and NL/PL
poker worlds. As such, everyone in the game should be understanding
that some players — particularly those coming from the limit
world — have, well, limits to what they are willing to put at
risk in a single hand, and we should be respectful of that. Also, even
those who do usually play NL HE may be familiar with only that game,
and are concerned about losing a lot in a PLO or PLO/8
game. ]
My apartment is 100% non-smoking. Getting in and out of my place to
the street requires someone to go with you to let you in and out. So,
don't expect to be able to smoke easily during the game. If you
absolutely cannot go five hours without a cigarette, this may not be the
home game for you. I guess I'd entertain the idea of walking everyone out
for one smoke break during the duration of the game.
I will pick up beverages and ask for donations at each game. I think
this is an easier way than everyone trying to bring their
own. I will of course take requests. I don't mind picking
things up, and then it is all centralized and there isn't
too much of one thing. Feel free to bring something special
if you want it and think I'm unlikely to get it.
I usually buy an array of carbonated soft drinks and maybe a few other
types of sugary beverages, as well as waters. I get some potato chips,
usually onion dip (which I've made for poker games since I first hosted
them), and maybe some cookies.
I generally don't drink alcohol, but I'm not opposed to it. So, the
one thing you should bring if you really want it is
alcoholic beverages. I don't know enough about them to buy
good beers, or whatever, so bring what you want in this
regard.
Chips
If this game gets going regularly, I am planning on purchasing a
serious chip set from PokerChips.com. Greg's
River Street chips were from here and they were excellent.
Currently, since the idea of
binary chip values was so antithetical, we will have $1,
$2, $5, and $25 chips. I will use my old Wood Expressions
set until such time I place a PokerChips.com order.
Table
Here is the table that will be used at all games: the
table has arrived and is in use.. I prefer round tables,
as it is better for conversation. Don't worry, I have the
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Should I Run a Home Game? Would You Come?
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 This past August marked the date. It had been exactly ten years since
I last ran a home game; my last one was sometime in August 1996 in my
apartment in Baltimore. Back when I hosted those games, we played
penny-ante, no-limit mixed games, although we didn't call it that in
those days. (We weren't connected to the actual poker scene and didn't
know the proper terminology). It was $10 buy-in, and you could easily
lose $40 in a night if you were really bad, and usually the good
players would win about $10 each.
I obviously don't have much interest in running a game at those stakes
anymore. We were all just out of college and poor in those days, so
those amounts of money were still meaningful to us and interesting to
play for.
I've spent a lot of time in the past three weeks thinking about running
a home game. I've posted how I'm sick of NL HE at
the moment, and the continuing dangers of playing
at NYC clubs. I also realized that, for the first time since my
post-college days, I actually have an apartment that is big enough to
host a game. Now might be the time to think about hosting again.
The reason I haven't jumped at this idea is that I think my choice of
home game rules, mix, and stakes might not be of interest to most of
the NYCers I know well enough to invite over to my place. (I won't
invite anyone sight-unseen; the game would only be for people whom I
already know in Real Life, or are vouched for by someone I know in
Real Life). Unfortunately, most of the poker folks I know either (a)
don't play mixed games or (b) would only play mixed games for
extremely small stakes.
So, I've put up a poll (unfortunately, you need an LJ account to take it. If you really don't want to create an LJ account, just answer the poll questions in an anonymous comment). Below I describe precisely what my home
game would look like and what the rules, stakes, and mix would be, and
see if there are enough takers. Most of you who know me realize that
I like a smoothly oiled machine of a poker game, with clear plans and
rules set forth. (Some call this “anal”, and I get why
people say that, but I think it makes for a better game if everyone
knows every details of the rules up front.) So, here's what my home
game, should I run it, would look like. Below that, in the poll,
please answer if you are interested in the game and are in the NYC
area regularly.
( Full description of the proposed weekly game and a interest poll behind this link. )
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The Hobgoblins of Consistency
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Tuesday 19 September 2006 @ 16:11
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 Ok, I have to come clean on something. I think that, albeit
temporarily, NL HE bores me. I need a long break from it. At least a
month, I think.
I think there are three factors relating to my current boredom. First,
NL HE is my primary poker money-maker, and I'm using poker income for
some expenses now. Therefore, NL HE has warped in my mind to
“work”. And, for most people, and certainly for me, there
is a slight piece of passion that leaves you when something you love
becomes work.
Second, it's all most people want to play. I attend a a wonderful home
game regularly with great people, but the host has given up on the
idea of mixed games. We tried it, but many of the guests weren't
comfortable learning new games. Of course, I'm going anyway to see
everyone, but I have this odd feeling akin to that feeling you get
when someone has asked you to help them move. Sure, you always help
your friends move when they get a new apartment, but you do it to be
helpful and to be social, but not because you can hardly wait to lift
up heavy boxes and carry them on and off a U-Haul truck. I'd really
want to shake this feeling, but I can't.
Third, I think that I have become somewhat rigid in my thinking about
winning at NL HE. I have a set of strategies that work in most of the
games I encounter. I am particularly careful about game selection, so
I am usually selecting games that I can approach with the few
different gears that are most comfortable for me. I lately usually
book big winning sessions, or small loss sessions, still plodding
along at 5-7 big blinds per hour (or hundred hands). I haven't really been
experiencing much wild variance, indeed, almost none at all since I
quit playing limit HE for serious stakes back in December.
But, this is clearly a recipe for disaster. Complacency and boredom
are the big enemies of one's poker game. I must assiduously combat
this. Here are some strategies that I'm considering, some of which
I've already begun to implement:
- When you say,
Doctor, it hurts when I stand on my head! , the
doctor says Then, don't stand on your head! . Simple enough:
it's boring when I play NL HE and I feel I'm getting complacent
about my game, so I just shouldn't play it! However, it's tough,
because I keep having this thought that somehow not playing NL HE is
an affront to the poker boom. In other words, that I am failing to
cash in on the free fall of funds from bad players. I think that
this thinking is at least somewhat wrong-headed; I can't live my
life around cashing in on the boom. Positive EV isn't just about
external factors, it relates to your internal approaches to the
game. Yet, I struggle.
- Find ways to enjoy NL HE again. I think attending low stakes NL HE
home games is probably a good way to do this. There's basically no
pressure to win because the entire session variance is more or less
what I'm used to in one hand. I can relax, not feel like I have to
extract every penny by absolute perfect observation and situational
advantage, and just play. It will help, of course, if the rest of
the attendees aren't in a hyper-poker-obsessed mood, but most of the
usual crowd at the home games I attend are pretty good about
this.
- Get really into another poker game. The past two weeks, I've played a
substantial amount of Stud High, and PLO/8 (and even NL O/8 —
odd game), and a little bit of tournament NL HE (the last of which
with amazing and statically surprising results). I strangely find
that NL HE tournament poker is actually different enough that it
doesn't give me entirely the same feeling as cash games do, although
there is a bit of a twinge. I've never much liked tournament poker,
other than the nice return on investment it can bring, but perhaps
that, or some other game, should be a place to focus. Another
option is bouncing around a lot in different games, but that is what
I had been doing for the last two weeks and it doesn't seem to be
helping. Anyone who has suggestions on where some juicy games are
of the non-NL HE variety (either online or NYC), I'd be very
grateful to hear about them. There is a $15/$30 limit O/8 game in
NYC that I've heard about, and I'm thinking of giving a whirl, but I
probably need some additional O/8 practice for lower stakes before I
do.
- Find mixed games. For those who are interested, C.H.'s game is
getting going again soon, which is a $4/$8 limit mixed home game.
I'm going to go there if he gets enough players. (If you are in NYC
and want to play, feel free to email me for an introduction.) I've
also been giving serious consideration to running a mixed home game
at my place, but I am a bit concerned that it'll be difficult to
find a pool of players who want to play mixed games at stakes I'd
want to run. I'll probably post a poll about it later this
week.
I am curious to hear from others about any “ruts of
disinterest” you've had in your best game. This is my first
experience of this. At the time when limit HE was my preferred game,
I ended up switching to NL HE because of frustration at the high
variance in limit HE, not temporary disinterest. Have you ever been
playing a game profitably, successfully, and enjoyably and then gotten
bored with it for a while? If so, what game was it and how did you
get over your boredom? (This could also go beyond poker to things
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Poker Money to the City Coffers
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Monday 8 May 2006 @ 21:57
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 There have been a series of busts over the past few weeks in the New
York City clubs. Since early March, I have been playing mostly online
(if at all). I was only occasionally visiting the clubs — about
once every two and half weeks. Each time I look up to see where to go,
the whole landscape has been changed by busts.
A club that I once visited called Satellite was busted a long time ago.
Another club opened in its location, called Playground. I went once,
but it was still busted within weeks of its grand opening. I went to
Playroom once, and but it got busted before I could go again. All In
(which I called the L Club) has been gone for months. Another club I
hadn't mentioned yet, the Straddle Club (made up of some old Ace Point
people), was busted a few weeks ago.
I have to admit that the police attack strategy is starting to work on
me, for two reasons. First, I am simply fed up with the comedy of
errors the casual player must go through to find what clubs are open.
I am never a regular; I haven't been one since the old R club and 72nd
Street (aka the NY Players' Club). If you aren't tuned in constantly
to the NYC poker scene, you have to do some leg work to find out what
has happened. I'm in touch with some regulars, which helps, but it's
still impossible to go to a club on the spur of the moment unless you
are constantly “tuned in”.
Second, the games are nowhere near as good as they once were. Sure,
there are some fish about, but the line-ups have gotten substantially
tougher. The casual players simply aren't going out to the clubs.
Think about this, and it's obvious why: a heavy poker enthusiast like
myself, who, all things being equal, wants to play live once every
week or two, cannot find out who's in business without 24-hour lead
time to email out to regulars to see what's going on. Can you imagine
that any casual $1/$2 NL player wants to do that work? Do they even
have any regulars' email addresses?
The public policy here is ludicrous, given that Off-Track-Betting is
legal throughout the city — it's not like we are a gambling-free
zone. But, that argument doesn't help much to solve anything.
Meanwhile, rumors abound that owners of some clubs are calling in
competing clubs, but this seems quite unlikely. A rising tide of
“reduced police heat” would raise all boats here, and I am
sure everyone is savvy enough to realize that. More likely, the best
of the best club workers are heading the relative safety of dealing
and running high-stakes private games (see below).
I know of four clubs still operating around the city, but I have not
been racing to get to them. The regular fish that I watched move from
72nd Street to the Loft and Satellite have either quit, or have
returned to the baby-limit home games from whence they came, as far as
I can tell. For my part, I am finding amazing games online. I miss
the social side of it, but I must admit that even that has
decayed.
Indeed, I realized something: most of the people in the clubs now are
not the people I want to hang around. This is something that roryk might
have been correct about. I've noticed that the people that I meet
at these clubs now — those people that keep coming even after
multiple busts and reopens — are not really people whom I want
in my poker games. Now, I wouldn't say they are “seedy”
people, by any means. It just seems that most of the people who have
“stuck with it” are either sharks looking for a good game
(who are generally nice people, but not the people I want to be
playing against all the time), or just plain jerks who clearly have no
ability to be socially connected in any other way.
That's a sweeping generalization and an exaggeration, but it has some
truth. I have noticed that once clubs have been around a while, they
attract some weak competition who are also nice people. But, the
hard-cores really are jerks or sharks. Compare this to the casino,
where you get to meet retirees who are just relaxing and enjoying
their time off, and vacationing people from all over who play a home
game from time to time and have simply picked poker instead of
blackjack to burn their vacation dollars. I loved getting to know and
“entertaining” people at Foxwoods when I played there
regularly, but that's not the feel of a “just opened and could
be busted next week” NYC club.
There are, of course, many private games throughout the city, but
nothing at low or even medium stakes. I know of a $50/$75/$150 Stud
game and a $200/$400 HE game, for example. Those are, of course, way
above my bankroll. There are probably serious fish (and serious pros)
in those games, but I can't imagine I'll ever play those kinds of
stakes, frankly.
I have been invited to, and attended twice, a private
“study” game. It was started by one of the local limit
sharks who practices securities law in his “real life”.
The goal of the game is for everyone to learn mixed games. If it were
a pure limit HE game, I'd be throwing my money away with the tough
lineup there. But, we play quite a large mix of games (more on this
in a later post), and I'm probably a favorite to the game in most of
them, given my diverse poker experience.
I look forward to posting about that game, which I'll call
“C.H.'s Game”. However, they all have the URL of this
journal, so I have to be prepared, as was with the late River Street
days, to have all the players reading the posts. |
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Ashley, the Proud Poker Father – Poker's Net-Positive Impact
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 In all this discussion in my journal the last 48 hours about poker
harming people, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to link to
this article. It's not the article itself that interests me for
its own sake. I like it because it shows three generational
connections, made through poker.
I got to know Ashley Adams (the father writing the introduction and
coda to the article) while I lived in Boston. I went to his home a
few times for home games. I met Rebbecca, his daughter, only once,
briefly. She came home once as we played in Ashley's club room. She
rolled her eyes a bit with this oh, they're playing poker again
look. I wondered at the time, not having kids myself, about how a
hobby like poker interacts in the family structure.
Reading this article, it became clear that as Rebbecca grows up, she's
getting some appreciation for who her father through his love for
poker — enough so that she's inspired to write about it. Given
Ashley's excited way of writing about his daughter's article (and the
fact that he emailed every poker buddy he has to let us know the
article was up on the site), he obviously feels tremendous pride and
goodwill that his daughter is learning about him through his
hobby.
This whole story reminds me that — despite some negative sides to
poker that we have been debating here in my
journal the past few days — poker is a reasonable part of our
culture that has positive impacts on people and their relationships.
Sure, it's played for money and some people make bad decisions about
money and get in trouble due to addiction. But how can we say it was
bad for Ashley to teach his daughter to play poker, to use it to
connect with her aging grandfather, and now to connect back with her,
as he watches her go out into the world?
Poker is a net positive to the world and there is no harm in sharing it
with those we love. Some of those we love will have pain from poker,
but those
people were probably destine for pain in life one way or the other
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Positively River Street, Part 1
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Thursday 9 February 2006 @ 23:58
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 I began promising an ode to River Street that I started writing just
after I arrived in New York City. I've been thinking a lot about
River Street (which I historically called "Greg's Game" in this
journal) since I got to NYC. Sure, there were always the NYC clubs,
which have begun to disappear (for a while). These are much more
profitable than my almost-break-even year (or so) at River Street.
However, Greg succeeded where so many others have failed: he was able
to mix a home game feel with what was (or, effectively became) a poker
club, and it lasted longer than any NYC club I've seen. While a few
of the clubs here in NYC have tried to give a home game feel, they
didn't succeed, at least not in the way Greg did it in Boston.
Ironically, I used to give Greg a hard time in mid-2004 that his game
was not really a home game anymore — which it wasn't — and
I really lamented that at that time. But, I was mistaken to be
bothered by it. It couldn't have survived much longer as a home game
(after all, Greg was clearly getting sick of hosting it in a
non-profit fashion), so the choices really were "death or club". I
believe the transition was successful, even if the dealers scared the
hell out of players with that high frequency of errors. (Having said
that, I should (a) point out that Shannan was among the best dealers I'd
ever seen, and (b) note that's basically the only real compliant, with
a full year of retrospect, that I have about River Street.)
The year of River Street was an important time for me in my poker life.
I have decided that I don't want that time to fade into jumbled memory
too easily, and while there are still some fresh thoughts of it in my
mind, I want to start journaling about them.
I picked this post for today as it is an historic date. My first visit
to River Street was Tuesday 10 February 2004 (which, I believe, was
the third or fourth time it ran as a "public" game). Tomorrow marks
the two year anniversary of my first visit to what I still consider
the "best" poker game I've ever played in.
By best, I certainly don't mean it was the most profitable. While it
may have been the game that helped me learn more than I could have
elsewhere, it wasn't that alone that made it great for me. It became,
because of the great mix of personalities of players, most like the
poker game that I once played in college. In those games (that
someday I'll write about, too), the game was a true social event. We
were a group of people who met frequently to study each other's
psychological make-up through poker.
For the next year, through a series of posts, I'll trace the history of
River Street as I remember it. I am sure some of the details have
faded, and I'll get some wrong. I know there are a few River Street
alumni lurking out there who might help with this diachronic look at
that game we all loved.
( My first installment, the story of the first River Street game I attended, is behind this link. )
I'll try to post, over the next year, stories of River Street to match
events on the 2004-2005 calendar to coincide with the same dates in
2006-2007. I obviously don't have specific incident and date memories
nor email records that match the whole year, but I'll try to keep the
general time frames right over the year. I hope you all enjoy this
series, and I hope a few members of the River Street crowd resurface
to chime in, and even correct me when I misremember. |
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